WiP in WiP, post your screenshots!

[wareya]

Nope, you have to learn how to turn dev blocks to real details then.

I don't buy it. To me, that doesn't look like part of a city at all, it just has city building sides. Sure, it's pretty, but that's the perfect theme for cutting into and detailing tall straight vertical brushes. I've never seen a soho themed map that didn't have pretty buildings, no matter what mistakes they made.

When you make a FULL (key word there: FULL) map in nothing but dev textures, except for maybe detailing trivial or important things, you will have problems with detailing the little shit because there's so much to do and you can't dramatically change it to turn it into that one detail structure that makes sense. Even if you can pull it off to some extent, it's not the full "I'm going to make this thing" but still "I'm going to turn this thing into this other thing", and that makes a dramatic difference when it comes to the detail of the little shit. For example, process bad these garage doors on mid that didn't go *anywhere*. They literally had some 64 units of concrete and then there was a T joint in the building behind them. No room for a door to come out.

 

[LeSwordfish]

I think 70% of "fun" is " interesting". Design a interesting layout to detail, then make it fun. It'll probably still primarily make sense from a detailing perspective.

 

[RaVaGe]

I don't buy it. To me, that doesn't look like part of a city at all, it just has city building sides. Sure, it's pretty, but that's the perfect theme for cutting into and detailing tall straight vertical brushes. I've never seen a soho themed map that didn't have pretty buildings, no matter what mistakes they made.

When you make a FULL (key word there: FULL) map in nothing but dev textures, except for maybe detailing trivial or important things, you will have problems with detailing the little shit because there's so much to do and you can't dramatically change it to turn it into that one detail structure that makes sense. Even if you can pull it off to some extent, it's not the full "I'm going to make this thing" but still "I'm going to turn this thing into this other thing", and that makes a dramatic difference when it comes to the detail of the little shit. For example, process bad these garage doors on mid that didn't go *anywhere*. They literally had some 64 units of concrete and then there was a T joint in the building behind them. No room for a door to come out.

Imo there's a boundary in the dev process here you shouldn't fall into, wich is the oversimplification of your layout and just make a map out of simple block.

When my maps are in the dev texture stage, I always consider the final look of the map, and I already know (approximately) how I will detail it. I make a HUGE work on the brushwork, while not falling into the detailling process, and that's the difference from many other maps in development here which have an oversimplificated brushwork.

So if I have a tip for you, it's that you should work more on your brushwork on the alpha stage, you'll see that it will be way more easier for you to detail a map.

Also I didn't get your point about that garage door thing :huh:

So, yeah maybe my details aren't realistic enough to you, but I think i've reached a good balance between gameplay and details, and this is the important part in level design.

More screens because everyone love screens. :woot:

 

[Seba]

Dang, all of that looks fucking sick, as usual from you ravage :0 one thing that bothers me is the halogen lights under a wooden walkway on Brazil, those lights tend not to be used outdoors. A single bright bare bulb maybe?

I think I map the same way Ravage described above. I have an incredibly hard time making a map just out of shapes - I always think about what this building is going to be, how it's going to be detailed, if it makes sense in the story the map is trying to tell, what's over that fence, why is the truck here and not elsewhere, are the doors I justmade usable in an industrial scenario, etc. The only map I've made so far out of just shapes was theprestige I think, and I'm not at all happy with that geometry. On the other hand, getting stuck on a certain idea for a map can also be bad - that was my main problem with advection. I had set in stone that b would be a train station and c some sort of loading dock that I completely locked out any creativity that could have saved the shitty parts of the map (most of them).

Map however you want though, as long as your detailing makes sense. I don't know process and ergo don't know what the door looks like exactly, but it just sounds like isolated detailing - detailing made for one specific spot that doesn't necessarily fall together with the rest of the map, architecturally or thematically.

Edit:that isn't Brazil with the halogen lights, just realised

 

[Shogun]

CTF map in development. This is all I have done so far.

I doubt it'll play well at all, but hey it's just a fun idea and I went with it.

 

[Plushypie]

Been away from mapping for a long while now, so I figured why not try my hand at a bit of detailing for fun.

 

[Idolon]

More Unity! weeeee

 

[Seba]

Float: that's neato, but I can't see it working well, like you said. Still, void might have some suburban assets he could give you; it'd be a shame to see so many cool assets go unused.

Plushypie: tone down the yellow lighting and take some closer-up pictures, that looks interesting (albeit a bit busy).

Ido: are you remaking Receiver

 

[Idolon]

Ido: are you remaking Receiver

Nice guess, but no. I'm making FRACT

 

[Fruity Snacks]

I keep meaning to buy Fract.

 

[Waffe]

I work so slow...

Album: http://imgur.com/a/g8kqW#0

 

[RubbishyUser]

I work so slow...

Album: http://imgur.com/a/g8kqW#0

Really nice album there Waffe! I really wish I could play your maps more often - where's tp_caprock? shouldn't you be working on that?

 

[Seba]

Hydroshield the map (although that actually is a map) - you could probably get away with using some wooden fences there,it being a park and all. Looks rad so far, I'm interested to see how it ends up.

 

[Ælement]

Less death pit,

I love the use of bricks here. It's sexy as hell.

 

[seth]

From what I remember, Scorpio's been looking for some skyscrapers for cp_rooftop. You might want to hit him up Chippers.

 

[chemelia]

More of my DAS(Detailing in Alpha Syndrome)

 

[Plushypie]

Couldn't really call it koth_fission without a reactor room of some kind.

 

[Ælement]

That pool looks way too shallow. The water isn't there just for the cooling, it's also to shield workers from radiation.

There's also no cranes or anything to replace fuel rods, not to mention that there's no safe way to dispose used rods in that room. The fuel rods in the pool are placed suspiciously haphazardly too.

Also, windows. A fission reactor should be placed in an armored building. Windows in the reactor room sure wouldn't convince me that the building could contain a nuclear meltdown even a slight bit.

Not sure if this will help, but here's some reactor cutaways.

 

[xzzy]

I wouldn't worry about the depth too much, going for too much realism generates the risk of sacrificing aesthetics or gameplay. I do agree the windows look out of place, I don't mind having windows there, but those specific props belong outdoors on a brick building. In a high tech environment it feels like lazy mapping syndrome.

One concern I do have is why that room even exists.. there's no doors in the back, and no health/ammo either. What possible reason would players have going back there? Would it make more sense to seal the room behind glass so it functions solely as a set piece?

Also, if the area remains playable, I'd worry about players getting stuck in the water. Is it easy to jump out of the water and over the fence?


Ignoring all of that I think the water and bits in the water look pretty great. The lighting is good too, and even the details around the edges of the room fit in well.

 

[UKCS-Alias]

When i see that i wouldnt call it a fission room but a room that was used to store used rods instead. Although that still wouldnt be safe in this case.

And as next thing i would also give some indication of the surface of the water being able to close, to mimic that they have countermeasures if something went wrong and they have to shield the surface from radiation. Ofcourse, in this case it should remain open to keep the detail as it is now.

Also, if the area remains playable, I'd worry about players getting stuck in the water. Is it easy to jump out of the water and over the fence?

If its playable then that area should be a deathpit.