WiP in WiP, post your screenshots!
- Thread starter Arhurt
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A good measurement for koth maps is walk times from spawn to point. I usually use scout.
Viaduct is ~10, lakeside ~11, highpass ~12, king ~9 (last time I checked). Probably be slightly different if you stopwatch it.
nitewalker
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- Aug 5, 2014
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scaling is really tough, because a lot of the time 2 very similarly sized areas can feel completely different in terms of actually moving around and playing. something that i do occasionally if im struggling to understand a space is just to spawn some bots on the map. seeing a variety of characters standing in the space goes a long way towards getting the map to make sense physically in your mind. you can also do this with familiar props. a lot of maps use the big shipping containers, so if you drop one of those into your map in hammer for scale you will sometimes realize that an area is too large or small compared to what you were attempting to do with that area.
its also not a bad idea to try to replicate an existing map, whether through exact measurements or eyeballing it, and pay close attention to your brush sizes. just spending a quick hour or 2 trying to block out the proportions of a smaller valve map can go a long way towards giving you a better sense of scale on all of your projects going forward.
you should probably avoid using hard rules as far as dimensions go, but general rules of thumb (like twistmapper posted above) can help a lot in keeping your map in line with the general feeling of similar maps
I find using actual textures tends to help. Rather than the basic dev textures.
You can also add some props like barrel crates and shipping containers, or the ever player model, which will omit itself from your compile due to being incompatible with prop_static.
You can also add some props like barrel crates and shipping containers, or the ever player model, which will omit itself from your compile due to being incompatible with prop_static.
Try something, see if it feels right, and then try something else if it doesn't. Using vertex edit for quickly resizing an area is super handy when trying to figure out the exact right size for a space.
I think you'll also find that the proportion of a space's floor area to the height of the walls surrounding it can have pretty dramatic effects on how large the space can feel. In theory this will change how the map plays, but I think it's more important to understand because of how it can fool you about the true size of a space (and for when you want to convey a certain spatial quality, regardless of layout).
you could real f@#k with someone with this XD
These past few weeks I've gotten the feeling that I've been mapping with some fundamental abstract concept missing. With every iteration of Badfish I can feel myself getting closer to it clicking.
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Sure, id be happy if people made some improvements on it since the process behind this is a big sloppy mess that I'm surprised functions