CP cp_urban_legend a3a

[WombatSauce]

cp_urban_legend_a1 - A rotationaly symmetrical 5cp map set in a city

My First Map!

Hey guys,

I've just pumped out the first version of my 1st map. I would love some feedback! <3

About the map:
My map has a wide open mid, with spawns that don't move until you cap 2nd. Second takes a bit from cp_glassworks, but it's more flattened out with a flank behind it, and last, well I just kind of pulled that out of my butt.

Pictures:

Mid:

Second:

Last:

Overview:

 

[DrLambda]

Your map is insanely dark. Team Fortess maps are usually very bright, even if they play at night, especially in the playable area (check plr_pipeline or ctf_doublecross.)
Even without starting the map up, i can see that it will be close to impossible to differentiate between RED and BLU, or even see anything going on without raising the gamma significantly.

 

[WombatSauce]

Thanks! I thought that too, but when i went in game, i didn't think it was that bad. I don't know. do u raise gamma in light_enviroment settings?

 

[DrLambda]

Yes, you can increase the brightness of the light_enviroment. The maps i told you to look at also have big ights lighting up most of the playable area while keeping it dark outside. At least pipeline also has normal light entities which give additional light to important areas - but don't be to obvious with floating invisible light sources

 

[WombatSauce]

ok, but the lights were just quick and dirty. do i need more than one light_enviroment?

 

[MaccyF]

i'd suggest reading this for lighting pointers: http://tf2maps.net/threads/guide-lets-talk-about-lighting.19133/ ,towards the end tyler talks about night maps

 

[Aeix]

do i need more than one light_enviroment?

No, you don't need more than one light_enviroment.
Also think about ghost lights - lights that have no visible source - when doing lighting for this. They can be really helpfull for the ambience required in night time maps.

 

[WombatSauce]

ok thx lol ive got like 6 light_enviroments!

 

[WombatSauce]

Patch Notes:

• Added a neat-o tower above mid
• Fixed blu's forward spawn door not working
• Added buildings to the walls around the 2nds and lasts
• optimized
• Improved lighting (brighter and better phantom lights)
• increased the height of the mid buildings
• fixed a clipping bug on the mid tower
• fixed a clipping bug with the fence at 2nd

Side Note:
I want to make mid tower grey mann tower, but I don't know the name of the grey mann co overlay. Can someone tell me what it is?

Pretty Pictures of New Stuff:

Read the rest of this update entry...

 

[Yrr]

Just from looking at the images i can see you havent fixed the major issues w the map, mainly the size and the lighting.

It's way too big and way too dark. Please, please fix that before adding too much more.

 

[WombatSauce]

If you go In game, you can see the lighting's fine. I agree it looks dark in the images. Idk why it looks weird in the images. And about size, I don't feel that either. Can you explain? The run times from last to mid are 13-18 seconds for all the paths. Thanks for the suggestion though.
After reading this over, it sounds salty af. It's not supposed to be that way Yrr.

 

[Yrr]

An easy example to cite for the size is that the sightlines across mid are longer than any map in the game. Take a look at the sizes of areas in official maps and compare them to yours, and look about shrinking yours down to similar sizes.

I think we'll be able to give you much better feedback once you've done that.

 

[Inventorkid]

I really like this map, but I think the first think it's just too massive for its own good. I tried rolling out as Soldier with Gunboats a couple times, and it seems to take around half a minute. And around two clips of rockets. Imagine how long that could be for a Heavy without a GRU, or even with one!

 

[WombatSauce]

Any refference maps? They're not super consistent.

 

[WombatSauce]

Should i just shrink mid, or everything?

 

[Yrr]

I'd recommend shrinking everything, using a variety of reference maps, and your own judgement. It's your own map after all, I don't wanna just tell u what to do.

 

[Inventorkid]

Looking at this map, Process comes to mind as the closest match. I like using the info_player_teamspawn entity (the spawnpoint and the default entity to be placed down when you place one down. It helps me visualize how a player in-game would look compared to the rest of the landscape.

 

[Yrr]

I like using the info_player_teamspawn entity (the spawnpoint and the default entity to be placed down when you place one down. It helps me visualize how a player in-game would look compared to the rest of the landscape.

The common one is to use the Heavy model, as the spawnpoint model is a bit small.

 

[WombatSauce]

ya ive been using soldier.mdl. btw, should i shrink the whole map, just the points, judt the walkways between, or do something else?

 

[WombatSauce]

also, outside of size, any obvious gameplay issues?