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a10:
made some stairs between B and C recede into the wall when B is capped
changed the black hole back to horizontal, added an ending sequence for it
some minor detail
lots of optimization around the BLU spawn and A area
http://calcified.net/maps/cp_hella_a10.bsp.bz2
Here are pictures of the back hole (looks better in game; ending sequence triggers when RED wins) and of the stairs that recede (pictured halfway in on purpose):
made some stairs between B and C recede into the wall when B is capped
changed the black hole back to horizontal, added an ending sequence for it
some minor detail
lots of optimization around the BLU spawn and A area
http://calcified.net/maps/cp_hella_a10.bsp.bz2
Here are pictures of the back hole (looks better in game; ending sequence triggers when RED wins) and of the stairs that recede (pictured halfway in on purpose):
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Bereth
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Noclipping through that particle kills my fps. Probably want someone with a bad computer to come in a test it out.
Clip the area below the windows so I can just run through them. All of them plox.
That's some z-axis fighting.
This blade of grass sticks through the floor.
This thing's fade-distance is a bit low. I can't even see it from across the close part of the map when I look right at it.
From a distance these windows are black.
Lots of these props have a bit low fade-distances.
Pleeeeease clip this prop.
This roof looks... weird.
Can you add a light here? It would emphasize the location as well as making the roof look a bit brighter.
Otherwise: eh. Let's test it.
Clip the area below the windows so I can just run through them. All of them plox.
That's some z-axis fighting.
This blade of grass sticks through the floor.
This thing's fade-distance is a bit low. I can't even see it from across the close part of the map when I look right at it.
From a distance these windows are black.
Lots of these props have a bit low fade-distances.
Pleeeeease clip this prop.
This roof looks... weird.
Can you add a light here? It would emphasize the location as well as making the roof look a bit brighter.
Otherwise: eh. Let's test it.
Chaofanatic made me a really kick ass particle system, you guys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1SDIXIhZqI
Dormant, active and dying states, for gameplay, red winning and blu winning respectively. Sound effects are a work in progress that I'll be playing with the volume of in game.
as if I wasn't under enough pressure to finish this already
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1SDIXIhZqI
Dormant, active and dying states, for gameplay, red winning and blu winning respectively. Sound effects are a work in progress that I'll be playing with the volume of in game.
as if I wasn't under enough pressure to finish this already
Astronomer in me: THAT ISN'T HOW THAT WORKS
The rest of my: that is really fucking cool.
The rest of my: that is really fucking cool.
Hey so expect a release of a11 pretty soon here. Other than adding in Chaofanatic's particles (above) I have some other changes planned
Adding an upper area for red here, kind of like on Upward, and also trying to shrink C a bit
In general I am reducing a lot of the extra props and bullshit around the map for performance reasons mostly, but also because it just got out of hand. This isn't a trade map (yet). I bet you can't even tell what I removed, and that's a good thing
Along the same token I deleted all the shit that was out here because it looked neat but I can't optimize it. I will try to strike a balance between something interesting and the dull expanse that is Thunder Mountain stage 1
Did I ever post this sign that Seba made me? <3 Seba
Adding an upper area for red here, kind of like on Upward, and also trying to shrink C a bit
In general I am reducing a lot of the extra props and bullshit around the map for performance reasons mostly, but also because it just got out of hand. This isn't a trade map (yet). I bet you can't even tell what I removed, and that's a good thing
Along the same token I deleted all the shit that was out here because it looked neat but I can't optimize it. I will try to strike a balance between something interesting and the dull expanse that is Thunder Mountain stage 1
Did I ever post this sign that Seba made me? <3 Seba
for the first time in about five months, a release
download a11
pretty sure everything is packed correctly, but the black hole is tricky
a11:
got rid of receding stairs, not that important
new black hole courtesy of chaofanatic
new scaffolding at C, in addition C is somewhat smaller and red has a slightly redone spawn situation
prop reduction and better optimization across the board
loads of new detailing
million images:
download a11
download a11
pretty sure everything is packed correctly, but the black hole is tricky
a11:
got rid of receding stairs, not that important
new black hole courtesy of chaofanatic
new scaffolding at C, in addition C is somewhat smaller and red has a slightly redone spawn situation
prop reduction and better optimization across the board
loads of new detailing
million images:
download a11
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I'd ditch the filing cabinets (7). They look so small next to those computer terminals.
Also Mann Co. signs don't belong in a RED facility (6), and double doors really ought to be pushed together to not have a frame between them (9).
Everything else looks amazing so far.
Also Mann Co. signs don't belong in a RED facility (6), and double doors really ought to be pushed together to not have a frame between them (9).
Everything else looks amazing so far.
a11a:
numerous little bug fixes
modified the catwalks at C
changed some pickups to support blu better
http://calcified.net/maps/cp_hella_a11a.bsp.bz2
numerous little bug fixes
modified the catwalks at C
changed some pickups to support blu better
http://calcified.net/maps/cp_hella_a11a.bsp.bz2
This map shall be remembered on my mind, forever, as cp_megalag.
Can you for once post something useful or constructive rather than a banal comment? This is what you do in every thread and it is really starting to bug me. You don't need to post a shitty joke in every thread dude. You really don't.
Where is the lag? Why does it happen? This map is actually optimized really well for the most part, as are the particles! Just saying it gives you a lot of lag is such a useless post; at least post a screenshot of where it happens with what your FPS is there and in other areas or something. I can't fix it if you just post a dumbass comment like that, and fun fact dude, that's all you ever do.
Where is the lag? Why does it happen? This map is actually optimized really well for the most part, as are the particles! Just saying it gives you a lot of lag is such a useless post; at least post a screenshot of where it happens with what your FPS is there and in other areas or something. I can't fix it if you just post a dumbass comment like that, and fun fact dude, that's all you ever do.
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All right. I can't tell much of the map, but anyway, I can only tell attacking at the last CP. The whole point felt cramped, and there was quite a lack of directions. I just went forward. On the last point, everyone on RED could use the height advantage to make C almost impossible to capture. The path was confusing, and there were very few options for attackers. On the lag, probably me (170 something ping) caused it, and Rikka did not help at the start (880 something ping). So I was permanentely stuck. Anyway, I guess C was the fatal flaw for the map.
This weekend was the first time I played it, I thought it played well overall. First two points seemed pretty well balanced, difficult to hold and reasonably possible to cap. I didn't have fps issues and I occasionally do on other maps.
I liked the interplay between the lower level and upper level just outside of the last point, but the last point is the only point where there might be a situation with defenders having a more than reasonable advantage. This is just from fuzzy memory, but it seemed like there was a pretty overwhelmingly powerful sentry position on some of the catwalks on the defenders spawn side, and given the layout and the final cap point that made for a very difficult attack. That may be something to look at if you are looking at achieving a different balance on last.
One other note is that the particle effects in dx8 seemed to lack an alpha channel, the black hole effect was rendered as full squares with no alpha. Despite this the effect was still awesome
I liked the interplay between the lower level and upper level just outside of the last point, but the last point is the only point where there might be a situation with defenders having a more than reasonable advantage. This is just from fuzzy memory, but it seemed like there was a pretty overwhelmingly powerful sentry position on some of the catwalks on the defenders spawn side, and given the layout and the final cap point that made for a very difficult attack. That may be something to look at if you are looking at achieving a different balance on last.
One other note is that the particle effects in dx8 seemed to lack an alpha channel, the black hole effect was rendered as full squares with no alpha. Despite this the effect was still awesome
So i'm not sure i like the final point. You say you've changed the catwalks, so odds are you've fixed this, but when attacking C i felt like either i could attack through the lower area, and just get sniped or outranged through the big doorways, or, once i'd found my way up, end up in a small space where either i'd be killed by the sentry opposite, or the waves of defenders coming through the upper spawn.
I guess you're kinda going for a "Gorge" feel at last, and two things that are cool about gorge's upper route are:
1) The lower and upper route go through the same space. You can take the upper route and then drop down into the lower, or use it as a way to block counterattacks. On Hella, it's an entirely seperate corridor. Get attacked in there, you're miles from the rest of your team. It's a lot easier for a single rocket-jumper to push players back.
2) The attacker's area on Gorge is really big. There's plenty of room to move about there, and you have the advantage over the defender's raised positions, meaning even good defensive positions can only really cover the point and lower entrances.
I guess you're kinda going for a "Gorge" feel at last, and two things that are cool about gorge's upper route are:
1) The lower and upper route go through the same space. You can take the upper route and then drop down into the lower, or use it as a way to block counterattacks. On Hella, it's an entirely seperate corridor. Get attacked in there, you're miles from the rest of your team. It's a lot easier for a single rocket-jumper to push players back.
2) The attacker's area on Gorge is really big. There's plenty of room to move about there, and you have the advantage over the defender's raised positions, meaning even good defensive positions can only really cover the point and lower entrances.
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more like cp_hellalag amirite
First time playing the map last gameday. I'm not sure if I like it or not, I'll just go ahead and blame team imbalance before jumping to conclusions about things being un-fun. However, I did feel like attacking B was a slog for some reason; I never had time to rest. Possibly because it is wide, and all entrances open into the same open area? I don't know.
After I watched the STV, I realized that there were two separate rocket jumper soldiers, one using the mantreads, on the same team. That's the kind of shit that really doesn't help on Hella, which is already designed to be hard for BLU. My mission for this map is to make it hard without it feeling unfair, after all. That probably played into your frustrations.
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Ping is network lag. That has nothing to do with the map at all, and is by no fault yylers, but rather is your connection somewhere.
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