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About damn time.
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So I flew around RC5 a bit, and got some things for you. Only detail stuff, no gameplay feedback. But the later is pretty well set now.
Ok so here goes in totally random order.
Floating sign is floating. Goes for both sides.
Thick metal floors supported by puny wooden support, and only on one end. Goes for both sides of the map.
Nobody can see this huge wall yet it eats up file size for the light maps. And beyond that big thing on the roof the wall is as thin as paper.
Obvious ghost lighting.
Wrongly lit prop. And where does that patch of sunlight come from? Prop is properly lit on RED's side.
Competent players know there's a staircase there, but that one Gibus Heavy will miss it. Point the sign slightly downwards. Goes for both sides of the map.
Misaligned texture. Is good on other side of the map.
Double floors eating up lightmaps. Nodraw them, or clip them away.
Obvious hole is obvious. There's another one on the other side of the wall, right across this one.
You made your own tutorial on how to rotate textures but you forgot to do it yourself right here. Same thing on the other entrance.
I WILL STRANGLE YOU. GET THIS STRAIGHT. (next to middle cp, next to the wooden plank. Goes for both sides).
The following 9 pictures have one common theme. Have an imgur link.
The point is this: all of those underground areas are never seen by people, so why bother with proper textures? Clip them away or nodraw them so the bsp doesn't have to store so many lightmaps. You'd get rid of a lot of unneeded lightmaps which lowers the overal bsp file size.
The sun angle is all wrong compared to where the sun actually is in the 2D skybox. In the 1st picture, the shadow extends so far down as if the sun is in the middle of the frame. In the second picture the sun is right behind the building in the center (just left of the chimney) yet the ground is still fully lit.
The wood near the grassy and dirty ground is waaaay too clean. There are dirt wood textures for this.
Wood texture on the underside of a building in a detail area outside the playable space. Nodraw that thing.
Give this wall a nodraw, or just clip it away. It's not visible at all.
That should do it. Sorry for being nit picky, but Valve will do exactly the same thing when they review a map that has potential to become official.
soupcan out.
So I flew around RC5 a bit, and got some things for you. Only detail stuff, no gameplay feedback. But the later is pretty well set now.
Ok so here goes in totally random order.
Floating sign is floating. Goes for both sides.
Thick metal floors supported by puny wooden support, and only on one end. Goes for both sides of the map.
Nobody can see this huge wall yet it eats up file size for the light maps. And beyond that big thing on the roof the wall is as thin as paper.
Obvious ghost lighting.
Wrongly lit prop. And where does that patch of sunlight come from? Prop is properly lit on RED's side.
Competent players know there's a staircase there, but that one Gibus Heavy will miss it. Point the sign slightly downwards. Goes for both sides of the map.
Misaligned texture. Is good on other side of the map.
Double floors eating up lightmaps. Nodraw them, or clip them away.
Obvious hole is obvious. There's another one on the other side of the wall, right across this one.
You made your own tutorial on how to rotate textures but you forgot to do it yourself right here. Same thing on the other entrance.
I WILL STRANGLE YOU. GET THIS STRAIGHT. (next to middle cp, next to the wooden plank. Goes for both sides).
The following 9 pictures have one common theme. Have an imgur link.
The point is this: all of those underground areas are never seen by people, so why bother with proper textures? Clip them away or nodraw them so the bsp doesn't have to store so many lightmaps. You'd get rid of a lot of unneeded lightmaps which lowers the overal bsp file size.
The sun angle is all wrong compared to where the sun actually is in the 2D skybox. In the 1st picture, the shadow extends so far down as if the sun is in the middle of the frame. In the second picture the sun is right behind the building in the center (just left of the chimney) yet the ground is still fully lit.
The wood near the grassy and dirty ground is waaaay too clean. There are dirt wood textures for this.
Wood texture on the underside of a building in a detail area outside the playable space. Nodraw that thing.
Give this wall a nodraw, or just clip it away. It's not visible at all.
That should do it. Sorry for being nit picky, but Valve will do exactly the same thing when they review a map that has potential to become official.
soupcan out.
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No they won't. Have you seen the maps in game, both valve made and community accepted? They don't screen maps like this. Not that it's any reason not to ourselves, but.
I'm not entirely sure how many of those faces are worth making more brushes to nodraw. I'll dig around though.
Also, there's an angle you can see the big flat brick face on the side of the building from gameplay space (albeit with an explosive jump) so I left it in there. I didn't detail it because it wasn't worth the cost, but I didn't want it to be transparent in that rare situation. Also, the "paper thin" wall is a recent optimization fix for the detail area you can see from last. It's not as noticeable while jumping and saves a ton of fps on last, so it was worth it.
The trim around the door is intentional and is designed to look like a flat piece stuck on the end. Maybe I'm thinking of my wood as being too thin, though.
The sun angle is something only the most nit-picky mapper (no offense
) is going to notice and is really important to balancing the lighting for the 5cp mode. It's landing in all the places I want it to (especially how it highlights on last) so it's worth it to have it not quite match the skybox.
I'll take it all into consideration though, thanks!
Also, there's an angle you can see the big flat brick face on the side of the building from gameplay space (albeit with an explosive jump) so I left it in there. I didn't detail it because it wasn't worth the cost, but I didn't want it to be transparent in that rare situation. Also, the "paper thin" wall is a recent optimization fix for the detail area you can see from last. It's not as noticeable while jumping and saves a ton of fps on last, so it was worth it.
The trim around the door is intentional and is designed to look like a flat piece stuck on the end. Maybe I'm thinking of my wood as being too thin, though.
The sun angle is something only the most nit-picky mapper (no offense
) is going to notice and is really important to balancing the lighting for the 5cp mode. It's landing in all the places I want it to (especially how it highlights on last) so it's worth it to have it not quite match the skybox.I'll take it all into consideration though, thanks!
wareya
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You should only nodraw things that people will never, ever, EVER see. Everything else, you should just set the lightmap resolution to something incredibly low, and if people are really losing frames off of the 10-20 faces you left un-nodrawn because they can technically see them from obscure locations, you can give them actual better performance with actual optimization.
It's not a FPS issue, it's lightmap and filesize. I'm just debating whether or not it's worth cutting a bunch of these brushes up further to nodraw them.
Some of the ones pointed out would have to be angled cuts that would most likely be harmful to my visleafs.
Some of the ones pointed out would have to be angled cuts that would most likely be harmful to my visleafs.
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takabuschik
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Just to point out, rocket jumping does not matter to Valve at all. Just do a small rocket jump on dustbowl's 3,1. You see all those huge nodraw unrealistic stuff, right ON the cp, where everybody is rocket jumping? That's how much Valve doesn't care.
wareya
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>It's not a FPS issue, it's lightmap and filesize.
Absolutely. But if you set the lightmap resolution to something incredibly low then the effect those faces have on the filesize should be next to nothing, and it's less immersion- (and in some cases, gameplay-) breaking than fully nodrawing them.
>I'm just debating whether or not it's worth cutting a bunch of these brushes up further to nodraw them.
The answer is usually no; but it's a judgement call for each face. With stuff that you can get a straight gain out of cutting orthogonally, I always do so if it saves me enough lightmap texels, but I optimize for compile-time, not runtime, and splitting a brush makes it so it doesn't batch as efficiently.
>That's how much Valve doesn't care.
Doesn't mean community mappers can't do better!
Absolutely. But if you set the lightmap resolution to something incredibly low then the effect those faces have on the filesize should be next to nothing, and it's less immersion- (and in some cases, gameplay-) breaking than fully nodrawing them.
>I'm just debating whether or not it's worth cutting a bunch of these brushes up further to nodraw them.
The answer is usually no; but it's a judgement call for each face. With stuff that you can get a straight gain out of cutting orthogonally, I always do so if it saves me enough lightmap texels, but I optimize for compile-time, not runtime, and splitting a brush makes it so it doesn't batch as efficiently.
>That's how much Valve doesn't care.
Doesn't mean community mappers can't do better!
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It's pretty clear takabuschik was talking about being able to see unfinished parts of the map while rocket jumping not the actual act of rocket jumping or weapons that allow you to rocket jump.
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I was making a joke... :glare:
takabuschik
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Yes, that's what I meant...
Yeah, I've been doing this the whole time. This is the same big brick face that was brought up:
128 lightmap scale.
Just got word this will be in UGC Season 16!
3 Claps for you
You're right, there are a tonne of dev textures on ctf_doublecross