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Just making a note here because google failed to find anything when I was trying to solve this problem:
I added the env_fog_controller entities, but I was mostly concerned with the effect on the middle area which doesn't really need a 3D skybox, so I didn't make one. When I compiled and went in-game, it behaved as if I had a relatively short Z clip plane of somewhere between 3000 and 5000 units. It was completely failing to render any visleaves beyond those measurements, resulting in some awful gaping holes on the far side of the lake, some of which would pop into existence as you walked farther towards the middle.
I tried setting the Z clip plane higher, and tried setting it to -1 (don't clip), and tried adjusting the fog end parameter, and nothing had any effect on the problem.
The solution, as it turns out, was to create a 3D skybox. Even with nothing in it but the sky_camera, suddenly my Z clip plane settings started working, and everything looked fine.
So hopefully this will benefit the next person who runs into this problem and turns to google for help.
I added the env_fog_controller entities, but I was mostly concerned with the effect on the middle area which doesn't really need a 3D skybox, so I didn't make one. When I compiled and went in-game, it behaved as if I had a relatively short Z clip plane of somewhere between 3000 and 5000 units. It was completely failing to render any visleaves beyond those measurements, resulting in some awful gaping holes on the far side of the lake, some of which would pop into existence as you walked farther towards the middle.
I tried setting the Z clip plane higher, and tried setting it to -1 (don't clip), and tried adjusting the fog end parameter, and nothing had any effect on the problem.
The solution, as it turns out, was to create a 3D skybox. Even with nothing in it but the sky_camera, suddenly my Z clip plane settings started working, and everything looked fine.
So hopefully this will benefit the next person who runs into this problem and turns to google for help.
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Alpha 7 is released!
ALPHA 7
* Added more railings around the middle point.
* Added a one-way door going from the caves out to the middle area.
* Added fog and a preliminary skybox.
The skybox is provisional, and has some glitches if you look for them. Being alpha, I'm still more focused on getting gameplay feedback than visuals, which are very work-in-progress.
ALPHA 7
* Added more railings around the middle point.
* Added a one-way door going from the caves out to the middle area.
* Added fog and a preliminary skybox.
The skybox is provisional, and has some glitches if you look for them. Being alpha, I'm still more focused on getting gameplay feedback than visuals, which are very work-in-progress.
disp crack http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/98931/pics/cp_cauldron_a70000.jpg
and the second point still feels really damn cramped, doesn't help there are all kinds of edges to get caught on :/
and the second point still feels really damn cramped, doesn't help there are all kinds of edges to get caught on :/
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That looks excellent Shmitz....
remember our commentary on how that expanse of grass to the right of the stairs in the 2nd shot feels too large + spammable? Could you somehow rotate the stairs out that way more, and cap it with a small building that blocks LoS? A la the things on the sides of the point of arena_beacon...?
remember our commentary on how that expanse of grass to the right of the stairs in the 2nd shot feels too large + spammable? Could you somehow rotate the stairs out that way more, and cap it with a small building that blocks LoS? A la the things on the sides of the point of arena_beacon...?
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I can't rotate the stairs. They'd block the pathing below too much. I have been toying with ideas for that though. I'm not quite yet ready to make such a significant change. I'm still trying to work out if/why that would actually benefit the gameplay. Or rather, I'm not sure I want to try to solve a problem if I don't think I fully understand what the problem is.
I think the base in the first screen shot would make a good arena/koth map.
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WOAH! Even though it's only small, but those trees and shrubs look like a jungle 
I didn't know you were doing the same theme as in meridian.
I didn't know you were doing the same theme as in meridian.
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Most other people don't seem to have any problems finding their way around, particularly after a round or two. You're going to have to be a bit more specific if you want to convince me anything needs to be changed.
Probably this then:
When I say it's too mazelike I don't mean I'm getting lost. I figured the layout out after just a round or two as you say. My problem, however, is the number of twists and turns, most notable around your generatory-computory-thingamybob of a second point and that spiral staircase around the last point - which has a shockingly placed arrow that points into a tunnel leading away from the point, I've seen lots of players run up the spiral and see the sign and tunnel and instead of running towards the point by taking the final left turn they just run back down the tunnel
Shmitz said:
When I say it's too mazelike I don't mean I'm getting lost. I figured the layout out after just a round or two as you say. My problem, however, is the number of twists and turns, most notable around your generatory-computory-thingamybob of a second point and that spiral staircase around the last point - which has a shockingly placed arrow that points into a tunnel leading away from the point, I've seen lots of players run up the spiral and see the sign and tunnel and instead of running towards the point by taking the final left turn they just run back down the tunnel
Right by the final point theres a set of stairs that go in a rough spiral. hang on I'll get pics
This bit, I always turn the wrong way around there and then the sign points you in the wrong way ( I know it's the wrong colour to follow as red there, but it's an arrow... you end up following it anyhow)
This bit, I always turn the wrong way around there and then the sign points you in the wrong way ( I know it's the wrong colour to follow as red there, but it's an arrow... you end up following it anyhow)
