Valve Pays Out to Item Creators

[The Political Gamer]

If you think modeling is any easier then mapping your also wrong:

http://www.facepunch.com/showthread...st-2-weeks&p=25552822&viewfull=1#post25552822

 

[Prestige]

If you think modeling is any easier then mapping your also wrong:

http://www.facepunch.com/showthread...st-2-weeks&p=25552822&viewfull=1#post25552822

because of one persons opinion? its all subjective. different people have different talents.

 

[The Political Gamer]

A lot of maps for other games are made in 3 days tops.

Again if you were only in mapping for the money you can get out and leave the rest of us to have fun.

 

[Scotland Tom]

Dear Valve,

We, the financially desperate and/or greedy, will now inundate you with at least ten (10) metric craptons of content submissions. We hope your content reviewers don't collapse under the pressure and expect you to begin writing us fat checks immediately.

Sincerely,
Your money-grubbing fans


(And yes, I'll probably start trying to come up with new weapons and/or hats myself)

 

[JoshuaC]

If you think modeling is any easier then mapping your also wrong:

http://www.facepunch.com/showthread...st-2-weeks&p=25552822&viewfull=1#post25552822

If you think modeling a simple item, is harder than making, detailing, and balancing a map..

There honestly is no comparison.

 

[Gerbil]

I started doing it before it was cool. \o/

God I hope my stuff gets accepted now.

 

[owly-oop]

Related, Valve will reject the crappy models that really don't belong in TF2.

then why didn't they reject their own hats

 

[Penguin]

what the fuck

there's no way that can be accurate

at all

what the fuck

 

[lana]

Greedy bastards

 

[Whated]

Money...money...money, I don give a shit. I would maybe even pay that VALVe takes my map to their awesome game Team Fortress 2. Seriuosly. 1000 dollars is quite a lot for that you just had fun. Someday when I make good maps and such. Valve contacts me and wants to buy my map. I would like shitting bricks for a year after VALVe contacts me. I would be so happy and surprised... But I dont know if some faggots do maps because they think VALVe wants to buy em for money....

 

[grazr]

If you think modeling a simple item, is harder than making, detailing, and balancing a map..

There honestly is no comparison.

I'd like to see you say that after creating a TC or single player map. I'd say more but you get enough grief about watchtower so i wont.

TF2 maps are piss easy to create compared to Half-Life ones, and each game mode comes with it's unique difficulty level.

I'm not saying it's not hard, but from someone who as far as i'm aware has only created a couple TF2maps, making success in arena at that... if that's true then you've only experienced a small amount of Hammer.

But comparing modelling to mapping is like comparing the technical process of oil paintings to water paintings. Different skills, different approaches and nuances... different techniques and processes. Besides, I'd argue there's more too mapping than just the software, you really need to understand psycology and gameplay and a lot of theory. Modelling is less theory and experimentation and more tracing over schematics to reach a pre-conceived product.

 

[Terr]

As someone who is primarily a programmer rather than a modeler or mapper, y'all can just stop about how "difficult" your artsy-fartsy jobs are until you've sat up for hours with a hex editor looking at binary files and debugging code

I'm slightly bitter that after hand-delivering custom-tooled swag to Valve's HQ, I never got even an e-mail about PackBSP 2.0.

It is not fair

I agree, but it's worth remembering that maps--despite the great effort--don't make money, because you can't sell a map to just one user. If Valve charged for maps, it'd just split the community, and if they charged a general fee for updates, it'd be a ragestorm, to say the least.

 

[lana]

That's also based on mapper preference. For some it can be easier to make a singleplayer map that balanced for one player as opposed to a two way balanced map.

 

[grazr]

That's also based on mapper preference. For some it can be easier to make a singleplayer map that balanced for one player as opposed to a two way balanced map.

That's not what i'm talking about and just goes to show your mapping ignorance. Single player involves a lot more understanding of the entity system, such as using AI, scripting sequences and full use of the full entity list. It involves the entire engine. A lot of the engine is removed or made redundant in TF2. The worst you'll come up against is dynamic doors and math counters, short of the game mode master entity. That's novice play for anyone involved in moding the original engine.

 

[JoshuaC]

I have made single player maps. it does indeed take more effort depending on what you're making.

However, that still doesn't negate the different in the amount of effort put forth for hat/weapon models, vs TF2 maps.

 

[Godslayer57]

Even more reason to try and 'steal' 3ds max from my borther XD

 

[Dr. Spud]

I just want my fucking weapon with sparkles on it.

 

[Pocket]

Hey Rexy, you know how you were looking for a job?

Heh heh... HEY WAIT A MINUTE... that's more per hour worked than Valve's own model makers get! What the crap?

 

[Terr]

I just want my fucking weapon with sparkles on it.

 

[Moose]

stuff

I don't know what you're getting so worked up about, mapping for both HL2 and TF2 is difficult. One is hard to balance, the other is more complicated and larger in general. Sure, arena maps are less challenging to make than most, but they still require some balance and need to be fun to play.

Anyways, I'm fairly certain it takes more effort to create even an arena map than a TF2 hat, or an item.