WiP in WiP, post your screenshots!

Woozlez · Apr 21, 2012

WiP Skybox.

I'm wondering if there's some simple way to map cube to sphere and then back again or some sort of auto fish-eye lens. I just painted this skybox and I want to get rid of the corner distortion..

I mean I'm able to do this in-Hammer right?

Fruity Snacks · Apr 21, 2012

Could use a little work, but i give you thunderous applause for your ingenuity.

Sel · Apr 21, 2012

Oh boy, we don't see these very often.

It looks like you're just picking arbitrary shapes, without much thought of what they should look like, and your buildings are wobbling all over the place, when they should be much much much straighter looking than they currently are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precisionism

Also check this.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3332789/Tutorials/skyboxtut.jpg

tyler · Apr 21, 2012

Yeah, I dunno if that's a weird 8-bit cave for a map that breaks the art style or just really messed up.

Woozlez · Apr 21, 2012

Selentic said:
It looks like you're just picking arbitrary shapes, without much thought of what they should look like, and your buildings are wobbling all over the place, when they should be much much much straighter looking than they currently are.

I only really maybe have one building leading off into that minecart track. The rest is concrete foundation for the trusses themselves. Maybe I should add some cracks to indicate sliding of concrete or give more reason for skewing.

yyler said:
Yeah, I dunno if that's a weird 8-bit cave for a map that breaks the art style or just really messed up.

I wanted to see how it would look. I'll probably add a ridiculous number of supports to that 8-bitish area to give it purpose. I also need to make a good rock brush to make everything more defined.

grazr · Apr 21, 2012

Looks like a Worms/some other 8-bit skybox (Pandamonium, Earth Worm Jim, Abes Odessy).

Boylee · Apr 22, 2012

If only Ritz had written the second part of that tutorial. I really want to know how to turn a simple painted skybox panorama (+top and bottom panels) into a 3D spherical projection.

Woozlez · Apr 22, 2012

I actually got a sudden inspiration from the 8-bit portion and knew that TF2 is known for stylized hard corners so I tried something new with the skybox.

Made using Gimp 2, the standard circular brush, and a Wacom Bamboo Connect.

WiP Skybox v2

http://i.imgur.com/DeChU.jpg

Without Fog

http://i.imgur.com/IFOLK.jpg

Compare to Previous

http://i.imgur.com/GP8W8.jpg

EDIT: 4 Free Wallpapers!

(1920x1080)

http://i.imgur.com/cpw5a.png
http://i.imgur.com/YjWLR.png
http://i.imgur.com/fHofM.png
http://i.imgur.com/PGnxz.png

MarcoPixel · Apr 22, 2012

My first post here, only watched the forums

How i can fix the invisible water? (Theres some down there) I got no leak and compiled it with VIS normal.

Can anyone help me?

Marco

Crash · Apr 22, 2012

Shanghai said:
I think what he's trying to say is what I've tried to illustrate with this awful paint-over.

Basically, if the supports are a series of right triangles, you have to remove the hypotenuse and the short leg, and leave just the base as a beam across. I would do that on all the supports for that roof except the first and the last.

Yeah, I'll probably just end up doing that...

I think I was just trying to do something different. There are so many other roof supports like that around the map. But I guess that's how it works, so... Science!

Ælement · Apr 22, 2012

MarcoPixel said:
My first post here, only watched the forums How i can fix the invisible water? (Theres some down there) I got no leak and compiled it with VIS normal.

Can anyone help me?

Marco

Could you by chance take a screenshot of the water in hammer? I have no idea whats wrong

You COULD try to use a different water texture, and see if you get different results.

ForbiddenDonut · Apr 22, 2012

MarcoPixel said:
My first post here, only watched the forums How i can fix the invisible water? (Theres some down there) I got no leak and compiled it with VIS normal.

Can anyone help me?

Marco

Hard to tell without a hammer screenshot. Is your water brush covered on all sides with nodraw except the top surface? (which would be your water texture).

MarcoPixel · Apr 22, 2012

ForbiddenDonut said:
Hard to tell without a hammer screenshot. Is your water brush covered on all sides with nodraw except the top surface? (which would be your water texture).

Yes, it is covered with nodraw execept top. Heres the screen with the top texture properties.

Greets,
Marco

Ælement · Apr 22, 2012

Thats odd... Have you scanned your compile log for errors?

MarcoPixel · Apr 22, 2012

Ill gonna recompile and will take a look at it, but as i remember there were no errors (i think)

MarcoPixel · Apr 22, 2012

Put it into interlopers, didnt find anything (just the standart skybox errors)

Heres the log:

Code:

** Executing...
** Command: "c:\program files\steam\steamapps\marcopixel\sourcesdk\bin\orangebox\bin\vbsp.exe"
** Parameters: -game "c:\program files\steam\steamapps\marcopixel\team fortress 2\tf" "C:\Users\Marco\TF2 Mapping\Worlds\dam.vmf"

Valve Software - vbsp.exe (Oct 25 2011)
2 threads
materialPath: c:\program files\steam\steamapps\marcopixel\team fortress 2\tf\materials
Loading C:\Users\Marco\TF2 Mapping\Worlds\dam.vmf
Patching WVT material: maps/dam/dev/dev_blendmeasure_wvt_patch
Patching WVT material: maps/dam/nature/blendrockgroundwallforest_wvt_patch
Patching WVT material: maps/dam/nature/blendgroundtograss007_wvt_patch
Patching WVT material: maps/dam/nature/blendrockgroundwallforest_reducedetail_wvt_patch
fixing up env_cubemap materials on brush sides...
ProcessBlock_Thread: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (0)
ProcessBlock_Thread: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (1)
Processing areas...done (0)
Building Faces...done (0)
Chop Details...done (0)
Find Visible Detail Sides...done (0)
Merging details...done (0)
FixTjuncs...
PruneNodes...
WriteBSP...
done (0)
writing C:\Users\Marco\TF2 Mapping\Worlds\dam.prt...Building visibility clusters...
done (0)
*** Error: Skybox vtf files for skybox/sky_trainyard_01 weren't compiled with the same size texture and/or same flags!
Can't load skybox file skybox/sky_trainyard_01 to build the default cubemap!
*** Error: Skybox vtf files for skybox/sky_trainyard_01 weren't compiled with the same size texture and/or same flags!
Can't load skybox file skybox/sky_trainyard_01 to build the default cubemap!
Finding displacement neighbors...
Finding lightmap sample positions...
Displacement Alpha : 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10
Building Physics collision data...
done (0) (10330 bytes)
Placing detail props : 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10
Compacting texture/material tables...
Reduced 114 texinfos to 66
Reduced 21 texdatas to 16 (633 bytes to 465)
Writing C:\Users\Marco\TF2 Mapping\Worlds\dam.bsp
6 seconds elapsed

** Executing...
** Command: "c:\program files\steam\steamapps\marcopixel\sourcesdk\bin\orangebox\bin\vvis.exe"
** Parameters: -game "c:\program files\steam\steamapps\marcopixel\team fortress 2\tf" "C:\Users\Marco\TF2 Mapping\Worlds\dam"

Valve Software - vvis.exe (Oct 25 2011)
2 threads
reading c:\users\marco\tf2 mapping\worlds\dam.bsp
reading c:\users\marco\tf2 mapping\worlds\dam.prt
 405 portalclusters
1028 numportals
BasePortalVis:       0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (0)
PortalFlow:          0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (132)
Optimized: 94 visible clusters (0.00%)
Total clusters visible: 135065
Average clusters visible: 333
Building PAS...
Average clusters audible: 404
visdatasize:44187  compressed from 45360
writing c:\users\marco\tf2 mapping\worlds\dam.bsp
2 minutes, 12 seconds elapsed

** Executing...
** Command: "c:\program files\steam\steamapps\marcopixel\sourcesdk\bin\orangebox\bin\vrad.exe"
** Parameters:  -game "c:\program files\steam\steamapps\marcopixel\team fortress 2\tf" "C:\Users\Marco\TF2 Mapping\Worlds\dam"

Valve Software - vrad.exe SSE (Oct 25 2011)

      Valve Radiosity Simulator     
2 threads
[Reading texlights from 'lights.rad']
[34 texlights parsed from 'lights.rad']

Loading c:\users\marco\tf2 mapping\worlds\dam.bsp
Patch Sample Radius Clamped!
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Setting up ray-trace acceleration structure... Done (0.90 seconds)
1725 faces
5035166 square feet [725063936.00 square inches]
43 Displacements
3515670 Square Feet [506256576.00 Square Inches]
1725 patches before subdivision
86523 patches after subdivision
2 direct lights
BuildFacelights:     0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (49)
BuildVisLeafs:       0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (41)
transfers 3848310, max 531
transfer lists:  29.4 megs
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	Bounce #1 added RGB(640921, 491227, 398931)
GatherLight:         0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (1)
	Bounce #2 added RGB(65123, 42905, 31862)
GatherLight:         0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (0)
	Bounce #3 added RGB(15744, 9218, 5703)
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	Bounce #10 added RGB(2, 1, 0)
GatherLight:         0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (0)
	Bounce #11 added RGB(1, 0, 0)
Build Patch/Sample Hash Table(s).....Done<0.1465 sec>
FinalLightFace:      0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (43)
FinalLightFace Done
Computing detail prop lighting : 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10
0 of 0 (0% of) surface lights went in leaf ambient cubes.
ThreadComputeLeafAmbient: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (25)
Writing leaf ambient...done
Ready to Finish

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HDR ambient table     1103/65536        4412/262144   ( 1.7%) 
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Level flags = 0

Total triangle count: 4188
Writing c:\users\marco\tf2 mapping\worlds\dam.bsp
3 minutes, 16 seconds elapsed

** Executing...
** Command: Copy File
** Parameters: "C:\Users\Marco\TF2 Mapping\Worlds\dam.bsp" "c:\program files\steam\steamapps\marcopixel\team fortress 2\tf\maps\dam.bsp"

Greets,
Marco

soylent robot · Apr 22, 2012

i really like this underground skybox thing, it appeals to my paradox motor
looking forward tio the finished product!

ForbiddenDonut · Apr 22, 2012

Put it into interlopers, didnt find anything (just the standart skybox errors)

Heres the log:

You have a lot of Patch Sample Radius Clamped! errors.

It could be an indication of odd-numbered lightmap scales. Double-check your displacement lightmaps and make sure they are set to 16 for the time being.

Not sure if that's causing your water problem, but it's worth investigating.

MarcoPixel · Apr 22, 2012

Set every brush to 16, got New errors in the log:

Bad surface extents point: -7334.214844 -1930.999023 2170.000000
Bad surface extents point: -8596.000000 -1764.008423 2170.000000
Bad surface extents point: -8467.370117 4434.000000 2170.000000
Bad surface extents point: -7206.995117 4199.207031 2170.000000
Bad surface extents - surface is too big to have a lightmap
material DEV/DEV_MEASUREHALL01 around point (-7901.1 1234.5 2170.0)
(dimension: 1, 128>126)

EDIT: Deleted the error causing brushes, now im recompiling.
Greets,
Marco

Pocket · Apr 22, 2012

You'll also need a water_lod_control somewhere in your map if there's not one already.

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