KotH Tondo RC1C

[Sitrulus Melon]

Sitrulus Melon updated Tondo with a new update entry:

Tondo B4A

- texture adjustments
- added more prop detailing
- fixed clipping
- adjusted respawnwave time
- adjusted trigger for supply cabinet
- made the small stall into mid more climbable

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[Sitrulus Melon]

Sitrulus Melon updated Tondo with a new update entry:

Tondo B4B

- Reduced props
- fixed some overlays
- added more player clip
- replaced the crate stair case with ramps instead
- added some small health kits
- changed fence texture to a wall texture

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[Sitrulus Melon]

Sitrulus Melon updated Tondo with a new update entry:

Tondo B4C

- mostly an optimization update
- adjusted performance in the map, adding occluders, and area portals
- some detailing adjustment

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[Sitrulus Melon]

Sitrulus Melon updated Tondo with a new update entry:

Tondo B5 - Lighting

- the update is mostly light adjustments, adjust brightness of some part of the map and lighting ambience, removed lights in unplayable parts of the maps
- disable collisions of some props
- adjusted some clippings in some parts of the map
- added props to block sightline
- texture changes
- Miscellaneous detail changes

The layout might change slightly in the next update, might be implementing more height variation to make it less flat in general

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[Sitrulus Melon]

Sitrulus Melon updated Tondo with a new update entry:

Tondo B5A

- added out of bounds detailing
- reduce more prop clutter
- filled the gap in the bridge
- prop adjustments

* might be coming near to RC. if there is less issues

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[Sitrulus Melon]

Sitrulus Melon updated Tondo with a new update entry:

Tondo B5A

- added out of bounds detailing
- reduce more prop clutter
- filled the gap in the bridge
- prop adjustments

* might be coming near to RC. if there is less issues

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[Sitrulus Melon]

Sitrulus Melon updated Tondo with a new update entry:

Tondo B5B

- fixed clipping near out of bounds area so it cant be stand on
- adjusted lighting. made the spawn rooms less bright
- detail changes: added some trims on some windows and doors
- made middle more space, removing some props
- removed the second stairs that lead direct to the point and made it a dropdown instead
- added plumbing
- miscellaneous changes, etc

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[Sitrulus Melon]

Sitrulus Melon updated Tondo with a new update entry:

B5C

- disable collisions on some props
- made the high ground less confined, by removing the pallet that was blocking
- added a ramp to the side of the stairs
- decreased the width of the stair route towards the point
- added back the flank route that passes behind the point
- miscellaneous detail changes and light adjustments

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[Sitrulus Melon]

Sitrulus Melon updated Tondo with a new update entry:

Tondo B5D

• added some out of bounds detailing
• removed some func_detail to make movement or gameplay smoother
• added several sightline blockers
• added a ramp towards the point
• adjusted pick ups
• added some clippings
• prop changes and minor optimization

(It's been a while, since I updated Koth_Tondo)

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[Sitrulus Melon]

Sitrulus Melon updated Tondo with a new update entry:

B5E - Experimental

A rather experimental changes for Tondo

• changed the capture point layout, adding some cover and some high ground
• adjustments on elevation of some floors around mid
• added a jump pad replacing the stacks of crates ramp
• removed the flank route that goes to the other side without reaching mid
• detailing adjustments
• lighting color adjustments
• added lighting out of bounds
• some out of bounds detailing
• and miscellaneous fixes

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[Freyja]

I apologise this feedback is being left after beta

I feel like this map has a rather core problem of that the shape of it's combat arenas is quite samey. I have taken a screenshot to demonstrate.

Essentially your map is a series of rectangle and horizontal(lateral) boxes connected by vertical paths. I feel that as an attacker, rotating between paths attacking the point is very boring because they are basically flat, straight streets. Additionally, the paths you do have to move betwene these horizontal boxes are more or less straight as well, and where they're not they're quite cramped.
Basically every combat encounter you have in this map happens in the same direction, from the same angle, because enemies pushing back past their held point are funneled directly straight into you. You fight them in a straight hallway or you're flanked from the side because all enemies are deposited in a long box (the street) where they have access to the entire width of the map.

I'm sure you probably hate your map being compared to koth_king but I think it's a good example because it has the street thing going as well but manages to avoid this issue

The spaces in king are really varied in shape, The street zig-zags across the map. The routes are varied in shape and direction as well (and more numerous). You can even gain a height advantage over people pushing back from the point in multiple places. Rotating from one route to another offers more than running down a straight street with exits depositing directly onto it. I would endeavour to try and add some of this to your map.

It's probably too late to make serious changes to your map now and again, I apologise. I don't get to play TF2 very much so today was my first time on your map.
I hope my post has offered you something to think about at the least.

 

[Sitrulus Melon]

I apologise this feedback is being left after beta

I feel like this map has a rather core problem of that the shape of it's combat arenas is quite samey. I have taken a screenshot to demonstrate.

Essentially your map is a series of rectangle and horizontal(lateral) boxes connected by vertical paths. I feel that as an attacker, rotating between paths attacking the point is very boring because they are basically flat, straight streets. Additionally, the paths you do have to move betwene these horizontal boxes are more or less straight as well, and where they're not they're quite cramped.
Basically every combat encounter you have in this map happens in the same direction, from the same angle, because enemies pushing back past their held point are funneled directly straight into you. You fight them in a straight hallway or you're flanked from the side because all enemies are deposited in a long box (the street) where they have access to the entire width of the map.

I'm sure you probably hate your map being compared to koth_king but I think it's a good example because it has the street thing going as well but manages to avoid this issue

The spaces in king are really varied in shape, The street zig-zags across the map. The routes are varied in shape and direction as well (and more numerous). You can even gain a height advantage over people pushing back from the point in multiple places. Rotating from one route to another offers more than running down a straight street with exits depositing directly onto it. I would endeavour to try and add some of this to your map.

It's probably too late to make serious changes to your map now and again, I apologise. I don't get to play TF2 very much so today was my first time on your map.
I hope my post has offered you something to think about at the least.

appreciate the feedback by the way, thanks for the lengthy explanation. I will take notes of this and try to improve more off me making maps, helps a ton.

 

[Sitrulus Melon]

Sitrulus Melon updated Tondo with a new update entry:

Tondo Update (Not an actual new version)

Haven't made any updates or touched valve hammer in a while because I was busy a lot. and I was still an amateur mapmaker myself (and probably burnout too). but I plan to release the redux redux version of the map in the future and my other wip maps. tondo though as my first map become tricky due to me trying to rush to the beta. but currently I am trying to change the layout up a bit or well considering to remake the entire map altogether in a new layout and maybe a newer concept.

that's...

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[Sitrulus Melon]

Sitrulus Melon updated Tondo with a new update entry:

Tondo Beta 6

A lot has changed so, I'll only list the major changes

Layout somewhat remains the same but the things changed are:

made the routes going to middle somewhat dynamic and less similar, adding several options to walk
capture point layout changed
some detailing changes
and a lot of miscellaneous changes (lighting, texture etc)

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[Sitrulus Melon]

Sitrulus Melon updated Tondo with a new update entry:

Beta 7

capture point changed

• adjusted props, moving the props around the capture point, reducing some props
• capture point vicinity made more open
• added floor detailing
• removed the table area in middle and replace it with a prop cover

• Removed the extra contrived route going to middle
• removed ladder near the stairs

Large building adjusted

• made it more open
• adjusted doorways
• changed textures and added subtle details
• light color...

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[Sitrulus Melon]

Sitrulus Melon updated Tondo with a new update entry:

Tondo B7A

Mostly detailing changes, no big layout changes

- added small healthkits on mid (might change that in the next update)

• raised the walls near the capture point
• changed texture of the capture zone
• added minor detailing near the capture zone

• added more out of bounds detailing
• added neon signs and direction signs
• detailing changes on some buildings
• Spawn room detailing adjusted
• added more plumbing
• added custom signs
• several more detailing...

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[Sitrulus Melon]

Sitrulus Melon updated Tondo with a new update entry:

Tondo B7AB

• detail adjustment on capture zone + added extra details that served as cover
• slight lighting adjustments
• lighting adjustments on out of bounds area, making the area less bright
• added a ton of wires
• adjusted spawnroom visualizer so no one can stand on it anymore
• adjusted shadow of a certain prop
• adjusted collisions on some props, so no one can stand on top of it
• added some slight detailing in the left street, and adjusted position of the vehicle prop
• more...

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[Sitrulus Melon]

Sitrulus Melon updated Tondo with a new update entry:

Tondo B7B

• more optimizations (I hope)
• fixed some prop collision to prevent players from reaching vantage points
• fixed some clippings
• rotated some props
• added some custom signs
• added a ramp on the box stand
• changed some prop skin
• changed some textures on some part of the maps
• added some props for detailing
• moved the truck again in the left road

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[Sitrulus Melon]

Sitrulus Melon updated Tondo with a new update entry:

Tondo B7BB

nothing major

messed up on the HDR compile. so I compiled normal
fixed some miscellaneous problems
some optimizations

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[Sitrulus Melon]

Sitrulus Melon updated Tondo with a new update entry:

B7C

• did a lot of optimizing on the map
• added more clippings, near the streets and some clippings near doorways
• widen up some doorways for a more smoother gameplay
• adjusted the stairway design inside one of the building
• adjusted prop collision on some props
• several texture changes
• adjusted floor design near mid
• adjusted observer points and added some props
• miscellaneous changes etc.

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