CTF Panamint Springs a18

[grazr]

It got to the point where i was making so many first hand changes it was eating into my other projects. So we had to decide whether i'd leave the rest to him or join him in in finishing the map.

Even though it was one of Hanz's first ever maps it turned out quite popular and so he wants it finished to a high quality standard. So we agreed to collab on this.

It has taken a little longer because of the new competition being so soon and a lot of fixing up was needed for panamint before for hitting the detailing, as a fair majority of the map was off the grid. (Which is what you get when you work on a 1 unit grid all the time >.>)

The first 2 stages will be released for testing this weekend (hopefully). Basically just sealing the map area, rearranging areaportals and lights.

 

[grazr]

If you manage to test this tonight, good luck. Sorry i can't make it due to a birthday commitment. It would have been cool to see the changes i made in action.

Hopefully we can bring stage 3 out asap, but i want to concentrate on my contest entry for now now that this is ready for one of its (hopefully) last alpha tests. If all goes well we can properly refine the details in stages 1 and 2 and... obviously sort out stage 3.

P.S. post pics Hanz.

 

[Hanz]

After a few months Grazr and me are proud to present a revised Panamint!

01/04/2010: A18:

- Panamint turned into a collab between Mr. Hanz and grazr
- Remade S1 and S2 partly, deleted S3 because it wasn't that good (We will still use Rexy's custom models in the new S3)

Screenshots!

Download now!

 

[The Political Gamer]

Looks so much better already!

 

[zpqrei]

Looks good, not sure about the rounded wood on the second shot though, doesn't really look very...wood-like. It would be better as concrete.

 

[Tekku]

I love your intel model and the map offcourse too

 

[Steff0o]

looks good
but you have a sky leaking displacement out of the blue spawn in Stage 1

 

[Hanz]

Ok, does anybody has any gameplay feedback if you would have played it?

I think we should atleast lower RED's respawntime a little, 18 seconds respawntime is no fun. Also the sightline around 1-2 should be changed and RED could use a little cover coming out their spawn when BLU's attacking 1-2.
The sightline around 2-1 should also definately be changed I think, and a way for RED to get up the rocks around 2-1, because this point seemed way too easy to cap.

Any other feedback/opinions?

 

[Tinker]

Like said on gameday:

- Sightlines are bloody weird. Either they are non-existent, or they are HUGE. This makes for snipers camping the same few, but very strong spots, which is boring for both parties.

- The new 2-2, while cool, can be a lot more interesting. Do something nice with the building on the left (seen from the BLU side)

- I'm the only one, but I really miss the spire. I hope you put something similar in stage 3, simply because a/d ctf lends itself well for fantastic caps and epic points.

- Feels like there's some wasted space at some points. Some corridors could be a lot tighter without hurting gameplay, and some rooms are totally unnecessary.

Glad you are continuing this!

 

[grazr]

The spire was removed because it was impossible to cap. Just look at the last 5 pages of feedback to sample the distaste for it. Regular classes could never get close to the top of the spire and demo's and soldiers were shot out of the sky by sentries on and behind the point. Plus the prop is unique to badlands, everytime it's seen it screams "I'm from badlands everyone!!".

If you did like the concept of it though, we could try to work something equally as epic, yet also playable, into the third stage. Atleast that's the general idea, we wouldn't want a non-epic finale would we?

I'm interested to hear about the gameplay differences. Were the sight lines really that dramatic?

/dl's demo footage.

 

[Hanz]

Oh and for some reason the overtime was broken again. :/ I thought I had fixed it in earlier versions, but it looks like people who are camping on the pedistal still can take the intel when it returns in overtime. D: It should end when the flag returns I think. Or when it's dropped?

 

[Tinker]

When it's dropped. It's far less annoying that way.

 

[Owlruler]

Oh and for some reason the overtime was broken again. :/ I thought I had fixed it in earlier versions, but it looks like people who are camping on the pedistal still can take the intel when it returns in overtime. D: It should end when the flag returns I think. Or when it's dropped?

It was not when people camped on the pedestal. The flag just returned and sat there, without anyone needing to grab it. I still think it should be when the flag returns because if it ends when the flag is dropped, there can be no last minute pushes.

 

[grazr]

Wait, was a demo not produced for this? It was only an impromptu :/

Damnnnn

 

[Psy]

Booj can find it for you if you give a time and a place.

 

[grazr]

Hanz DB'd it for me. All's good.

 

[Tinker]

This cliff creates a large chokepoint around the first point. Just simply make a hole in it to connect, it would make the place a little less hard to get through (and for RED to come back to).

 

[Ida]

Basically; The map was much better before the changes.

Now there are dropdown-ledges everywhere! Stage 2 is pretty much made entirely of such ledges, and 1-2 is pretty annoying too. In addition, the 1st point is way too close to the intel.

For most of the map you need to go back to the a17 or get another overhaul, if you ask me. Sorry for the harsh comments, but I used to love this map.

 

[grazr]

Basically; The map was much better before the changes.

Now there are dropdown-ledges everywhere! Stage 2 is pretty much made entirely of such ledges, and 1-2 is pretty annoying too. In addition, the 1st point is way too close to the intel.

For most of the map you need to go back to the a17 or get another overhaul, if you ask me. Sorry for the harsh comments, but I used to love this map.

Muffin, your comments are a little puzzling. The number of ledges hasn't actually changed (in fact direct access to them has been reduced). Also the 1st point is actually further away than it was before, despite lowering it from the third floor to the second. Which was a unanimous decision.

Height was deffinately an issue i found. So was distance. Reducing overall size should reduce some of the underlying issues.

Psy has had a look at this map and had the same views about the physical quality of the map in Hammer. There are so many construction issues present in this vmf that reduces my capacity to eaily execute necassery changes. The map needs to be remade to reach its full potential. But that might be more work than i can reasonably put into this map as a collaboration; the skill and knowledge difference is so differing i'd be doing most of the work on what was Hanz's layout which has needed modifying and fixing. It had some areas that were really enjoyable but the map itself has been really contraversial in its content. Some people loved the spire but most hated it with a passion. I guess this also related to peoples favourite roles and class (being able to easily defend a point and rack up loads of points is obviously fun for engineers).

I'll talk to Hanz about where we take Panamint next.

 

[Hellfire]

Atleast fix game logic Also, for some reason, ive enjoyed old versions more. But thats may be because not that much people played today