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Sel · Jun 19, 2012

very serious medic model replacement concept art

based on connect four's personality

Godslayer57 · Jun 19, 2012

I swear there is a thread for art and concepts.... which happens to NOT be this thread

Ælement · Jun 20, 2012

Considering that it is concept art for a playermodel, I don't see the problem.

Also:

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(Ignore that the entire thing is red. This is a mid)

Fruity Snacks · Jun 20, 2012

That, is a lot of death pit.

Bereth · Jun 20, 2012

Fr0Z3n said:
That, is a lot of death pit.

What makes you think it's a death pit? Looks like some kind of lower flank route to me.

Fruity Snacks · Jun 20, 2012

He said something about adding deathpits around mid the other day.

Ælement · Jun 20, 2012

It IS a deathpit. There is another major route at each side of it, which isn't quite visible tho.

Sartharis · Jun 20, 2012

Amidio said:
Looks a little to detailed for prerelease. Stuff like that will just get in the way when you have to make gameplay changes.

Yeah, I guess (though I mostly only decorated spawn). I'll try to finish the alpha version of the map for next gameday.

grazr · Jun 20, 2012

Bereth said:
What makes you think it's a death pit? Looks like some kind of lower flank route to me.

Then i'd still question why he thinks a height difference of over 1284 is a reasonable difference. But he's said it's a death pit so... no problem. Except Pyro's, of course.

re1wind · Jun 21, 2012

Dr. Element said:
Considering that it is concept art for a playermodel, I don't see the problem.

Also:

(Ignore that the entire thing is red. This is a mid)

Airblast.

minisentries.

rocket/grenade knockback.

More importantly, is there a longer route that completely avoids the deathpit?

remember that one swamp ctf map with turning toilet that had deathpits *EVERYWHERE*, around the flags, in the middle, etc.? yeah? it wasn't particularly fun was it.

tyler · Jun 21, 2012

Some bad lighting currently but hey whatever right

Tom Hoen · Jun 21, 2012

Been modeling with blender couple of days.

Ælement · Jun 21, 2012

re1wind said:
Airblast.

minisentries.

rocket/grenade knockback.

More importantly, is there a longer route that completely avoids the deathpit?

remember that one swamp ctf map with turning toilet that had deathpits *EVERYWHERE*, around the flags, in the middle, etc.? yeah? it wasn't particularly fun was it.

This is the only deathpit in the map at all, and yes, there is a route that comletely bypasses the deathpit.

Tekku · Jun 21, 2012

re1wind said:
Airblast.

minisentries.

rocket/grenade knockback.

More importantly, is there a longer route that completely avoids the deathpit?

remember that one swamp ctf map with turning toilet that had deathpits *EVERYWHERE*, around the flags, in the middle, etc.? yeah? it wasn't particularly fun was it.

I found the toilets quite funny.

Prestige · Jun 21, 2012

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going to be cave-y/rock-y with 0 metal so i basically wasted my time making poop

Sel · Jun 21, 2012

Tom Hoen said:
Been modeling with blender couple of days.

model is nice, put it right next to a wall though.

A51 · Jun 21, 2012

grazr · Jun 21, 2012

A51 said:
A few screens of A portion of a map I intend to expand and make a full map. I intend for the map to be a capture point map. This all started out as a test for making tunnels and lighting. Hope this looks promising. This is my second attempt at making a serious map. My first one was very small and not suited for any type of combat just testing how I could make enviroments.
Here is the list of images:
http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Spartan-A51/Screenshots/TF2/2012-06-21_00001.jpg
http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Spartan-A51/Screenshots/TF2/2012-06-21_00002.jpg
http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Spartan-A51/Screenshots/TF2/2012-06-21_00003.jpg
http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Spartan-A51/Screenshots/TF2/2012-06-21_00004.jpg
http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Spartan-A51/Screenshots/TF2/2012-06-21_00005.jpg
http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Spartan-A51/Screenshots/TF2/2012-06-21_00006.jpg
http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Spartan-A51/Screenshots/TF2/2012-06-21_00007.jpg
http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Spartan-A51/Screenshots/TF2/2012-06-21_00008.jpg
http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Spartan-A51/Screenshots/TF2/2012-06-21_00009.jpg
http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Spartan-A51/Screenshots/TF2/2012-06-21_00010.jpg
http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Spartan-A51/Screenshots/TF2/2012-06-21_00011.jpg
http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Spartan-A51/Screenshots/TF2/2012-06-21_00012.jpg
http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Spartan-A51/Screenshots/TF2/2012-06-21_00013.jpg
http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Spartan-A51/Screenshots/TF2/2012-06-21_00014.jpg
http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Spartan-A51/Screenshots/TF2/2012-06-21_00015.jpg
http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Spartan-A51/Screenshots/TF2/2012-06-21_00017.jpg
http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Spartan-A51/Screenshots/TF2/2012-06-21_00018.jpg

Looking good for some tester environments, that's exactly the way to approach mapping as a beginner. Too many people feel the need to publish their first maps.

Some suggestions:
-Use light_spots, they cast light in a cone which allows you to create more realistic lighting conditions. The shape of the cone can be adjusted, as can the brightness. Often the default 200 brightness is not enough for dark rooms, as dark textures reflect less light, reducing the number of light bounces during the compile process. Check my signature for a relavent tutorial.
-Use more light across the ceiling to light the centre of rooms, not just at the edges, although lighting the walls is very important you'll find players in the centre of rooms shadowed out and this creates team recognition issues during gameplay.
-Shadows cast by models are usually cast by the bounding box if it doesn't have a collision mesh (there are ways of telling if a model has no collision mesh, usually you'll first notice console spam when you first open the map ingame, but you can also use the

button to toggle it on and off in Hammer. The reason i bring this up is it tends to create ugly blotches of shadow ingame that are obviously out of place, and also envelope other props in shadow as well. For example, your fence models. Minecart tracks and foliage props are other non-collision mesh, ugly shadow creating culprits.

A51 · Jun 21, 2012

Thanks for the tips, Ill be sure to use them while I continue to work on this map.

grazr · Jun 21, 2012

Oh, and on a final note, an excellent learning resource is the fact that Valve have released the vmf's of some of the more popular maps. Check out your SDK TF2 maps folder and look for vmf's named like sdk_ctf_2fort. You can go into the official maps and see how they did certain stuff. Bare in mind a lot of the stuff tends to be grouped so you might have to do some ungrouping to check out the entity work. Not to mention turning off the "tools" checkbox in the visgroups on your right so that you can navigate the environment easier.

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