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Test completed. Few things came up.
As seen from BLU base, the right side route that leads to the ledge and to the traintracks. There is that opening with a sign "skull" in it. Some people seem to jump down to the traintracks and die. They think it's route down for some reason. Maybe it's bacause the traintracks seem to be so "close" that there isn't a high enough drop down.
The first capture point also has so many routes in as a BLU and the site is so open that it's hard to sparse as RED where the enemy is coming from. The map usually turns to last stand on final point than holding the first point long time. Other than those, i didn't notice anything else worth mentioning.
As seen from BLU base, the right side route that leads to the ledge and to the traintracks. There is that opening with a sign "skull" in it. Some people seem to jump down to the traintracks and die. They think it's route down for some reason. Maybe it's bacause the traintracks seem to be so "close" that there isn't a high enough drop down.
The first capture point also has so many routes in as a BLU and the site is so open that it's hard to sparse as RED where the enemy is coming from. The map usually turns to last stand on final point than holding the first point long time. Other than those, i didn't notice anything else worth mentioning.
That's the first time I've heard anyone comment on routes to access point A. The penny arcade crowd has been playing that map off and on for 4 years now (holy shit, it really is 4 years 3 days from now) and A has always traditionally been a hard capture for blue. We've actually tried to make the push easier but I can't recall any dramatic changes that have been made.
Not saying your feedback is poor, but I am curious how many times you played the map. Did you do any team scrambles?
In my experience, success on stoneyridge relies heavily on team makeup. Everyone has to fill their role competently to accomplish anything. I don't know if that's a good thing, I'm not sure it's a great idea for a map to force everyone to play with a competitive mindset, but that's certainly what the map has turned in to.
Not saying your feedback is poor, but I am curious how many times you played the map. Did you do any team scrambles?
In my experience, success on stoneyridge relies heavily on team makeup. Everyone has to fill their role competently to accomplish anything. I don't know if that's a good thing, I'm not sure it's a great idea for a map to force everyone to play with a competitive mindset, but that's certainly what the map has turned in to.
I was just relaying some of the thoughts the players said out loud and inspected how they played in it. Played 4 rounds which means 2 times RED, 2 times BLU for each team. I'm not sure if it's about the players on why it plays like this, they know what they are doing.
This map has been on cycle at our community server before (_b9 13-Apr-2012). At that time, it was removed from cycle due to last cp being kind of impossible to capture. Most of the times it just ended stalemate there. There was also issue with getting out of base for the BLU team if the other team had a bit of steamroll going but usually it was lack of medics for BLU that caused it. I assume you guys also noticed this and did changes as it looks a bit different than b9. Tried also rc1 later on map test at 12-Mar-2013 but the A spot never was a hard to cap, more like hard to keep as RED. The other team always won, no matter if they played RED or BLU but every time A was captured quite fast. Maybe it was due to medics being play, good spies or awesome snipers?
This map has been on cycle at our community server before (_b9 13-Apr-2012). At that time, it was removed from cycle due to last cp being kind of impossible to capture. Most of the times it just ended stalemate there. There was also issue with getting out of base for the BLU team if the other team had a bit of steamroll going but usually it was lack of medics for BLU that caused it. I assume you guys also noticed this and did changes as it looks a bit different than b9. Tried also rc1 later on map test at 12-Mar-2013 but the A spot never was a hard to cap, more like hard to keep as RED. The other team always won, no matter if they played RED or BLU but every time A was captured quite fast. Maybe it was due to medics being play, good spies or awesome snipers?
That kind of echoes my experiences playing it.. sometimes it's a complete steamroll for blue and other times blue never even gets close to capping A. Team composition and a skill gap seems to be the easiest explanation but I don't really have any proof of it.
I don't know why this is, I could certainly brainstorm theories for days but they'd all be guesses. Maybe the map just lacks that "special sauce" that makes it flow well regardless of who shows up to play.
I don't know why this is, I could certainly brainstorm theories for days but they'd all be guesses. Maybe the map just lacks that "special sauce" that makes it flow well regardless of who shows up to play.
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This is great feedback and something I've seen in recent RC2 testing. We are currently working on making it easier to cap A and B.
This will be accomplished in the follow combination of solutions in RC2:
-Shorter distance from Blue spawn to A (displayed in screen comparison below)
-Better Engineer nest and set up going to A
-Slightly shorter Cap times on A and B
-One way door going to B
-New push route coming out of B
-More health to Blue's advantage
-Slight alterations to push routes and defense structions
Shorter distance to A:
This will be accomplished in the follow combination of solutions in RC2:
-Shorter distance from Blue spawn to A (displayed in screen comparison below)
-Better Engineer nest and set up going to A
-Slightly shorter Cap times on A and B
-One way door going to B
-New push route coming out of B
-More health to Blue's advantage
-Slight alterations to push routes and defense structions
Shorter distance to A:
Glad to see you guys still working on tweaking this map. I've really enjoyed playing it the few times I've gotten two and TF2 needs more great A/D maps.
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Here are a few screens of [some] major changes coming in RC2. Some are still in testing:
In the next three screens there lot of focus on this area to help engi nest. Additionally a new drop down to help with flow
The next screen displays the shortening of the first section and some flow changes:
New Engi nest area in this screen:
One way door:
Lastly, in the next two screens we are testing opening up the flow here to allow more options for blue to push:
These are a few of the major ones, more details soon.
In the next three screens there lot of focus on this area to help engi nest. Additionally a new drop down to help with flow
The next screen displays the shortening of the first section and some flow changes:
New Engi nest area in this screen:
One way door:
Lastly, in the next two screens we are testing opening up the flow here to allow more options for blue to push:
These are a few of the major ones, more details soon.
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I promise the next post we make will be a RC2 update. We're excited!
RC2 is LIVE!
RC2 Change Log:
-New custom explosion particles by FissionMetroid
-Layout improvements and building restructures throughout the map
-Detailing repass and overall visual improvements
-Distance slightly shortened from Blue spawn to point A
-Improved Engineer nest for routes going to point A from Blue spawn
-Slightly shorter cap times on both points A and B
-Added one way door going to point B to Blue's advantage
-New push route coming out onto point B
-More health to Blue's advantage
-Lighting improvements throughout the map
-Improved optimization and reduced file size
-New dropdown on the way to point A
-Restructure of building overlooking point A
-Prop usage optimization
-Improved signage
-Skybox visuals improved and optimized
-Three years of testing to help validate changes
Read the rest of this update entry...
RC2 Change Log:
-New custom explosion particles by FissionMetroid
-Layout improvements and building restructures throughout the map
-Detailing repass and overall visual improvements
-Distance slightly shortened from Blue spawn to point A
-Improved Engineer nest for routes going to point A from Blue spawn
-Slightly shorter cap times on both points A and B
-Added one way door going to point B to Blue's advantage
-New push route coming out onto point B
-More health to Blue's advantage
-Lighting improvements throughout the map
-Improved optimization and reduced file size
-New dropdown on the way to point A
-Restructure of building overlooking point A
-Prop usage optimization
-Improved signage
-Skybox visuals improved and optimized
-Three years of testing to help validate changes
Read the rest of this update entry...