pl_waste

[MangyCarface]

B2 seems like an improvement all around, no more comments than that at the moment. It'd be nice if you changed the red 'carpet' texture on the sides of the final RED CP, the panels are a nice idea but the texture looks like balls. Same with the blackish one on blue's side

 

[What Is Schwa]

This has made its way into our permanent rotation at the PoE servers. We freakin' love it.

 

[Vigilante212]

I think the name should be revised to tw_waste personally. or at least do a popup msg explaining whats going on for people who have never played it before. I found the map a bit confusing at first, but after few minutes it was easier to get around. The sewer area is kinda useless only purpose it serves it to drop down from that one side. Map looked great though.

 

[MangyCarface]

The real question is, will renaming it from PL to TW provide any contextual help to players?

The answer, as to almost all custom prefixes, is no, all it'll do is make the map name look weird during the loading screen.

 

[HojoTheGreat]

Leave it pl_. The reality is it IS a payload map, and if anyone is confused that's what the Welcome Screen is for! You could also enlist some help from the community to make your own intro movie to further help.

But no, changing the prefix will not be a helpful IMO

 

[Sgt Frag]

i think the 'cement' tracks are just overlays.

actually might help boost performance. hiding the wood inside terrain will still render all those polys.

 

[Zanpa]

You could also enlist some help from the community to make your own intro movie to further help.

This is a wonderful idea. Hope you'll do it.

 

[Cerious]

Ask Floor Master, he made the cp_steel intro and could be persuaded.

 

[Rexy]

I would agree with the prefix thing, but for the reason that pl maps are very popular, and you'll be able to ride that popularity even if you map isn't your average pl map.

 

[Nineaxis]

I'd have to agree, there's A/D CP and Linear CP, and they are both CP, it can be the same for PL.

 

[Icarus]

An intro video would be pretty cool. However, players seem to understand the concept right away after seeing the cart move around. An intro video isn't necessary, and would balloon the file size to over my personal limit (60MB)

 

[Icarus]

B2 seems like an improvement all around, no more comments than that at the moment. It'd be nice if you changed the red 'carpet' texture on the sides of the final RED CP, the panels are a nice idea but the texture looks like balls. Same with the blackish one on blue's side

They're supposed to look like flags... sort of like these

http://englishrussia.com/images/nazi_kharkov/1.jpg

 

[MangyCarface]

I understand the general concept, but the texture is clearly unfinished and so it's a blemish on an otherwise perfect area. Reducing them to the idea of panels keeps the visual continuity but removes the ugly texture

 

[Icarus]

understood.


On another note: after observing some full server games, it is now possible to win, but the stalemates are still very present.

I'm seriously thinking of implementing dynamic cart speeds:

Attackers will push the cart at 2.0x speed.
Defenders will push the cat at 1.5x speed. (Used in B2)

this way, if one team can successfully clear out the enemy, they should be able to make significant advances. This is similar to 5CP maps, where the Defending team's active CP's capture time is almost always twice as fast.

In addition, the max round time will be reduced to 6 minutes

 

[uma plata]

Had fun the other day on B2

The middle area is seeing a lot more action, I've noticed. That cover helps teams set up and defend a little instead of suiciding right away

That open panel in the sheet metal is perfect for fully charged snipes to the foot. Not sure if that's a concern...

 

[Icarus]

I figured snipers would have a hoot with it, so I went with it. It's not OP, I hope.

 

[FreeLance_FoX]

Defenders will push the cat at 1.5x speed.

What is this cat pushing you speak of...?



No seriously, the new version is great. I loved playing it. :3

 

[Icarus]

What is this cat pushing you speak of...?

(My cat, btw aka best cat in world)

 

[What Is Schwa]

On another note: after observing some full server games, it is now possible to win, but the stalemates are still very present.

I'm seriously thinking of implementing dynamic cart speeds:

Attackers will push the cart at 2.0x speed.
Defenders will push the cat at 1.5x speed. (Used in B2)

We've played about ten full games at my server and none have ended in a stalemate, however, we've had some LONG games. I don't really like the idea of the cart moving at different speeds for each team simply because that gives the middle CP a huge advantage. I don't want to see waste turn into something like Grannary where middle CP = eventual win. The game we just played the cart was pushed right next to our last CP, and we held off the attackers and steamrolled the cart right back into their base for a victory. It was awesome, and I think due to the swift motion of the cart.

In addition, the max round time will be reduced to 6 minutes

Yes, this is good... I was also thinking, perhaps give only a little (or none) extra time to the attackers for capping the next to last point. Often that point will go back and forth in quick intervals as players touch it which immediately maxes out the time. If only defense gets extra time than you'll avoid the endless game syndrome and attackers will be pressured to really make that last push, and defenders know that if they can repel the attack they'll be rewarded with more time.

I'd like to try something like this:
Start of game/max = 6 Mins
Middle CP = + 5 Mins
Attackers take next to last CP = + 0 Mins
Defense Reclaim next to last CP = + 4 Mins

In all, we are LOVING waste. This is seriously a refreshing piece of awesome and it will have a permanent place on our server. Hit me up nice time you have a build and I'll try to get it uploaded. We are pretty much full every night and the guys like testing stuff.

 

[Icarus]

A faster cart speed would not mean the middle point would be any harder to take. It only means that the reward for clearing an area out would be greater. It is not very fun to clear out the entire enemy team, only to meet them again in full force right before the CP and have it all repeat all over again over the middle CP.