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It's crashed the server thrice this evening. Upon testing it myself with bots my suspicion was confirmed: it's far too close to the edict limit. :facepalm:
It crashed for me on a fresh load, 32 demomen, on the 5th or 6th sticky firing. By comparison, animus and pipeline can handle all 8x32 stickies and only crash when you get into the grenades... apparently it is just a hair too close. :/
edit: hrm. it might not actually be an edict crash... though it did crash us many times.
edit: hrm. it might not actually be an edict crash... though it did crash us many times.
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I'd love to try it out, but perhaps for the next iteration. I hope you understand, I want to try and minimize risk as much as possible.
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Brilliant map. I loaded it up a few days ago and ran around for a bit. There's an incredible amount of detail that shows how hard you've worked on the map.
Since I was the only player on the map I had an opportunity to do a lot of exploring and I've got a few observations about the first and second stages:
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There are a lot of low rooftops and/or balconies that are within very easy reach of a soldier, demo, or scout that have playerclips blocking access. Obviously you don't want someone sticky-jumping from the beginning to the end of the stage, but there are still a few balconies that are seemingly accessible.
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On the first stage, the structure surrounding the 1st cap has a 2nd floor that is in essence only accessible from the BLU side of the stage. Anyone approaching from the RED side has to either FAN/rocket/sticky-jump up onto the freight containers/balconies to get to the 2nd level or go all the way to the first capture point and double back.
That has some very interesting strategic ramifications. I was wondering if it was intentionally built that way with balancing the map in mind.
Since I was the only player on the map I had an opportunity to do a lot of exploring and I've got a few observations about the first and second stages:
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There are a lot of low rooftops and/or balconies that are within very easy reach of a soldier, demo, or scout that have playerclips blocking access. Obviously you don't want someone sticky-jumping from the beginning to the end of the stage, but there are still a few balconies that are seemingly accessible.
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On the first stage, the structure surrounding the 1st cap has a 2nd floor that is in essence only accessible from the BLU side of the stage. Anyone approaching from the RED side has to either FAN/rocket/sticky-jump up onto the freight containers/balconies to get to the 2nd level or go all the way to the first capture point and double back.
That has some very interesting strategic ramifications. I was wondering if it was intentionally built that way with balancing the map in mind.
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Vector has been updated to C3, for the contest. (C2 had edict limit errors). New download is below.
http://forums.tf2maps.net/downloads.php?do=file&id=2812&act=down
Yeah, I wanted to keep the map as one-way as possible (BLU can push RED back, RED can't push BLU). This also helps RED stay near the CP. Straying too far away or trying to sneak too many players to spawn camp would render the CP undefended. Neither teams would have any fun this way.
You can see this in about every stage. Defenders become more and more vulnerable as they stray further and further away from the CP.
Although, this doesn't stop stacked teams from just rolling the other, but in that case, there's nothing I can do.
http://forums.tf2maps.net/downloads.php?do=file&id=2812&act=down
Yeah, I wanted to keep the map as one-way as possible (BLU can push RED back, RED can't push BLU). This also helps RED stay near the CP. Straying too far away or trying to sneak too many players to spawn camp would render the CP undefended. Neither teams would have any fun this way.
You can see this in about every stage. Defenders become more and more vulnerable as they stray further and further away from the CP.
Although, this doesn't stop stacked teams from just rolling the other, but in that case, there's nothing I can do.
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That sentry would be pretty hard to take down in the first place with the window there, but I think canceling it out would greatly disarm red from a valuable sentry spot... Maybe widen the window so an uber demo could more easily pop some stickies in there... This is only speculation though..
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Don't. I've been playing this map forever on the server (24-man, vanilla spawn times) I play on, and am a bit confused by all the nerfs to RED you're having. It's pretty easy to win as BLU already, and more often than not both teams win on BLU and lose on RED. That window sentry is very easy to take down from the far right by soldiers or demomen or snipers or anything really.
out of curiosity, what was it that was causing too many edicts?
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Assuming a flat floor, it's easy to tune a short wall to be juuuuust the right height that sentries can't shoot over it, but demomen and soldiers can easily attack. I can't remember the exact height (44? 64?) but I have a test map sitting around somewhere.
Another possibility is to make a low floor inside, and the only way to look out the window is to jump on some props.
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Perhaps, but not many players actually take the path to the right. They see the CP, and the catwalk, and want to push head on through. Although this almost always fails, I don't believe in forcing players to act against their instincts, or blame them for not taking the alternate route. Instead, I want to be giving players a choice, rather than punishing them for not playing how I'd like them to play. Ideally, The catwalk should be as viable as the other route. That way, nobody is frustrated, and nobody would feel the need to blame me for making one of the potentially easiest cap on the map, impossible to win.
Of course, I have yet to personally test the double-catwalk layout, but if it's needed, I'll make the side path harder. I've seen far too many matches stall there, and everyone feels frustrated. I believe the first CP in these stages should primarily be a "time-waster", and not be an actual "winnable" point to defend. Asking around, players pointed 3-1 as their most disliked CP, which I'm not really fond of either. Balance should always be a focus when mapping AD maps, but my goal is to make it both balanced AND fun.
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I know not of which I speak, but perhaps making the catwalk darker/duller and brightening the alternate route would alter their habits. If you still want the effect, perhaps move the fancy lighting to the ceiling and walls, but leave the catwalk as foreboding grey...
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