My map does some...strange stuff

[Ida]

When I try to test my map, this happens:

1. I am invincible. When I try to hurt myself with rockets or grenades, I can see blood on the walls/ground, but I don't lose HP and the character doesn't say anything he'd normally say (like "oww" or "ooh, that smarts").

2. The knockback effect of my own rockets and grenades (presumably stickies too) does not affect me at all.

3. When I right click, the game thinks I do it hundreds of times. For example, if I try to detonate stickies, all I hear is tons of "beep beep beep beep beep beep" sounds (when you detonate stickies, you usually get this sound...only ONE time) until I release the button, and they don't explode. I can't cloak as a Spy because I immediately uncloak. I can't spin up my minigun either because the game thinks I'm releasing the button then clicking it again, which cancels and restarts the spin-up over and over again.

This is extremely weird. It happened just after I had made most of my brushes into func_details, but that should have no connection, right? As for console commands, I had only recently used "thirdperson", "sv_cheats 1" and "noclip". Nothing that could mess it up this bad, I think.

Also, this DOES NOT HAPPEN on other maps if I play them by myself, or when I play on a server with other people.

 

[Earl]

Sounds like your map is inside one giant brush. Have you used unrealEd in the past?

 

[Snipergen]

Yea unreal ed is substractive, source is additive.

 

[Dox]

I tracked all his posting history and don't see anything about him using UnrealEd. /endstalking

but you should still check if you made a huge all encompassing brush, zoom way out in the 3d view to see if you can find out

 

[AWESOME-O]

exactly what is bad about unrealed?

 

[Géza!]

It works very differently than Hammer, I guess...

 

[Dox]

exactly what is bad about UnrealEd?

I think they were suggesting he was using hammer like he would UnrealEd since he wasn't used to hammer.

 

[AWESOME-O]

I think they were suggesting he was using hammer like he would UnrealEd since he wasn't used to hammer.

ah i c

 

[Ida]

I have never in my life touched UnrealEd.

As for the big brush...well, I have a hollow box for my sky right now that goes all the way around the map (yes, yes, I know it's bad for optimisation, but it's just temporary), but it's been there since day one and it has never caused me any trouble.

 

[Earl]

Hit Alt+P in hammer to check for problems. Also check the console right after you load your map for additional problems. It might give some hints.

 

[Ida]

Alt+P gives me no problems, but I will try checking the compile log the next time I compile.

 

[lsd]

while we're talking smack about unrealed,

look what i did in 4 hours:

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with nothing but subtractive brushes and static meshes

ps looking for a map name


edit btw theres stuff behind the walls too im a dumbass for not taking the picture

 

[Ida]

We're not "talking smack about unrelated", I have yet to fix this problem, so I'd appreciate it if you didn't spam the topic.

 

[Dox]

Please post the compile log.

 

[AWESOME-O]

After running it trough interlopers:
http://www.interlopers.net/index.php?page=errors

 

[grazr]

Edit: Didn't read the above posts properly -.- nvm

It sounds like your map didn't properly compile (well obviously) but what i'm surprised about is normally with an improper compile (when something goes wrong) the last working version of your map is loaded. Not.. what you have now.

 

[Ida]

I will compile my map in a minute. I'll post again if I have/haven't found anything with the Interlopers thingy.

 

[Ida]

Here is my compile log:

** Executing...
** Command: "c:program filessteamsteamappskirderf22sourcesdkbinorangeboxbinvbsp.exe"
** Parameters: -game "c:program filessteamsteamappskirderf22team fortress 2tf" "C:Program FilesSteamsteamappskirderf22sourcesdk_contenttfmapsrcctf_boats"

Valve Software - vbsp.exe (Mar 11 2008)
2 threads
materialPath: c:program filessteamsteamappskirderf22team fortress 2tfmaterials
Loading C:Program FilesSteamsteamappskirderf22sourcesdk_contenttfmapsrcctf_boats.vmf
Patching WVT material: maps/ctf_boats/nature/blendgroundtograss003_nodetail_wvt_patch
fixing up env_cubemap materials on brush sides...
env_cubemap pointing at deleted brushside near (-897, 4343, 104)
env_cubemap pointing at deleted brushside near (-897, 4343, 104)
env_cubemap pointing at deleted brushside near (-897, 4343, 104)
env_cubemap pointing at deleted brushside near (-897, 4343, 104)
env_cubemap pointing at deleted brushside near (-897, 4343, 104)
env_cubemap pointing at deleted brushside near (-897, 4343, 104)
env_cubemap pointing at deleted brushside near (-897, 4343, 104)
env_cubemap pointing at deleted brushside near (-897, 4343, 104)
Multiple references for cubemap on texture maps/ctf_boats/glass/glasswindow001a_-897_4343_104!!!
Multiple references for cubemap on texture maps/ctf_boats/glass/glasswindow001a_-897_4343_104!!!
ProcessBlock_Thread: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (0)
ProcessBlock_Thread: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (0)
Processing areas...done (0)
Building Faces...done (0)
Chop Details...done (0)
Find Visible Detail Sides...
Merged 188 detail faces...done (0)
Merging details...done (0)
FixTjuncs...
PruneNodes...
WriteBSP...
done (0)
writing C:Program FilesSteamsteamappskirderf22sourcesdk_contenttfmapsrcctf_boats.prt...Building visibility clusters...
done (0)
Creating default LDR cubemaps for env_cubemap using skybox materials:
   skybox/sky_hydro_01*.vmt
 ! Run buildcubemaps in the engine to get the correct cube maps.
Creating default HDR cubemaps for env_cubemap using skybox materials:
   skybox/sky_hydro_01*.vmt
 ! Run buildcubemaps in the engine to get the correct cube maps.
Finding displacement neighbors...
Finding lightmap sample positions...
Displacement Alpha : 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10
Building Physics collision data...
done (0) (221774 bytes)
Placing detail props : 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10
Water found with no water_lod_control entity, creating a default one.
Compacting texture/material tables...
Reduced 931 texinfos to 493
Reduced 52 texdatas to 47 (1267 bytes to 1112)
Writing C:Program FilesSteamsteamappskirderf22sourcesdk_contenttfmapsrcctf_boats.bsp
5 seconds elapsed

** Executing...
** Command: "c:program filessteamsteamappskirderf22sourcesdkbinorangeboxbinvvis.exe"
** Parameters: -game "c:program filessteamsteamappskirderf22team fortress 2tf" "C:Program FilesSteamsteamappskirderf22sourcesdk_contenttfmapsrcctf_boats"

Valve Software - vvis.exe (Mar 11 2008)
2 threads
reading c:program filessteamsteamappskirderf22sourcesdk_contenttfmapsrcctf_boats.bsp
reading c:program filessteamsteamappskirderf22sourcesdk_contenttfmapsrcctf_boats.prt
 210 portalclusters
 856 numportals
BasePortalVis:       0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (0)
PortalFlow:          0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (334)
Optimized: 0 visible clusters (0.00%)
Total clusters visible: 43958
Average clusters visible: 209
Building PAS...
Average clusters audible: 210
visdatasize:13024  compressed from 13440
writing c:program filessteamsteamappskirderf22sourcesdk_contenttfmapsrcctf_boats.bsp
5 minutes, 35 seconds elapsed

** Executing...
** Command: "c:program filessteamsteamappskirderf22sourcesdkbinorangeboxbinvrad.exe"
** Parameters:  -game "c:program filessteamsteamappskirderf22team fortress 2tf" "C:Program FilesSteamsteamappskirderf22sourcesdk_contenttfmapsrcctf_boats"

Valve Software - vrad.exe SSE (Mar 11 2008)

      Valve Radiosity Simulator     
2 threads
[Reading texlights from 'lights.rad']
[34 texlights parsed from 'lights.rad']

Loading c:program filessteamsteamappskirderf22sourcesdk_contenttfmapsrcctf_boats.bsp
Setting up ray-trace acceleration structure... Done (2.09 seconds)
2138 faces
4 degenerate faces
919886 square feet [132463592.00 square inches]
1 Displacements
23044 Square Feet [3318356.00 Square Inches]
2134 patches before subdivision
27590 patches after subdivision
118 direct lights
BuildFacelights:     0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (29)
BuildVisLeafs:       0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (20)
transfers 2665663, max 619
transfer lists:  20.3 megs
GatherLight:         0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (0)
	Bounce #1 added RGB(237281, 108186, 52012)
GatherLight:         0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (1)
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GatherLight:         0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (0)
	Bounce #11 added RGB(10, 2, 0)
GatherLight:         0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (0)
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	Bounce #13 added RGB(2, 0, 0)
GatherLight:         0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (0)
	Bounce #14 added RGB(1, 0, 0)
Build Patch/Sample Hash Table(s).....Done<0.1666 sec>
FinalLightFace:      0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (7)
FinalLightFace Done
0 of 0 (0% of) surface lights went in leaf ambient cubes.
ThreadComputeLeafAmbient: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (17)
Writing leaf ambient...done
Ready to Finish

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planes                2562/65536       51240/1310720  ( 3.9%) 
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nodes                  576/65536       18432/2097152  ( 0.9%) 
texinfos               493/12288       35496/884736   ( 4.0%) 
texdata                 47/2048         1504/65536    ( 2.3%) 
dispinfos                1/0             176/0        ( 0.0%) 
disp_verts             289/0            5780/0        ( 0.0%) 
disp_tris              512/0            1024/0        ( 0.0%) 
disp_lmsamples       21308/0           21308/0        ( 0.0%) 
faces                 2138/65536      119728/3670016  ( 3.3%) 
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edges                11355/256000      45420/1024000  ( 4.4%) 
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Level flags = 0

Total triangle count: 6188
Writing c:program filessteamsteamappskirderf22sourcesdk_contenttfmapsrcctf_boats.bsp
1 minute, 18 seconds elapsed

** Executing...
** Command: Copy File
** Parameters: "C:Program FilesSteamsteamappskirderf22sourcesdk_contenttfmapsrcctf_boats.bsp" "c:program filessteamsteamappskirderf22team fortress 2tfmapsctf_boats.bsp"

 

[Ida]

Interlopers gave me this (sorry for triple posts, but I have too many words for one):

On Interlopers.net, it gave me this:

Multiple references for cubemap on texture some_texture!!!

Description:
You can specify for each cubemap which faces should be using it. However, each face can only have one cubemap attached to itself this way. If you want the face to use multiple cubemaps you shouldn't tie them statically to cubemaps this way, but split the face (into multiple brushes).

Solution:
I hope you can find out by the name of the texture which face vbsp is talking about, because that's the only reference you have. No nifty stuff will help you find the problem, you have to check each texture or cubemap individually to find it. Or just leave it, as far as i know it defaults to one of the two env_cubemaps anyway, so it wont harm you one bit if you leave it.


Generally, this error may be ignored

I'll fix it anyway, but is this even relevant?

 

[Dox]

Hmm, doesn't sound like that would cause it, but fixing an error cant hurt. cant see other errors in the compile log, though...