- Thread starter Mr.Blob
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Aw, i was liking the winter theme. Not many winter A/D. It's all alpine and desert besides a couple community maps like haarp.
One suggestion, since you've removed the fencing for rocks on the right there, you've lowered and subsequently made players a lot more vulnerable to spam and rocket jumpers and the removal/movement of the building on the CP's flank has made that route a linear death trap. Consider adding a little cover overhead like some wooden planks or adding some ammo on the path to make it a viable spy route.
One suggestion, since you've removed the fencing for rocks on the right there, you've lowered and subsequently made players a lot more vulnerable to spam and rocket jumpers and the removal/movement of the building on the CP's flank has made that route a linear death trap. Consider adding a little cover overhead like some wooden planks or adding some ammo on the path to make it a viable spy route.
Computers outside... risky
Loc_n_lol
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- Apr 13, 2009
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It's alright, they'll be exposed to rockets, stickybombs and point blank minigun fire anyway.
...seriously now, I'd add a small roof on top just because, if it doesn't imbalance anything.
- Jun 12, 2009
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Not computers. Secret control panels controlling the secret water supply
Edit: Also, Thanks Grazr.
There's isn't actually much difference in the heights of the new rocks. But the fences is a good idea in the places where they are smaller. :>
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Updated to A2a:
Download: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1518074/cp_tundra/cp_tundra_a2a.bsp.bz2
A2a: Nova approves name.
-Added bridge near blue spawn to break up sniper lines
-minor clipping
-minor detail around blue spawn (theme test)
Download: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1518074/cp_tundra/cp_tundra_a2a.bsp.bz2
A2a: Nova approves name.
-Added bridge near blue spawn to break up sniper lines
-minor clipping
-minor detail around blue spawn (theme test)
Jimmy Nicholls
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- Feb 15, 2011
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I had a brief jump around just to see what was what. The layout looks really good to me. It's quite compact but it's obvious how it would work as a Push CP. I reckon if you made 2 more stages and turned it into a multi-stage thing it could well rival Dustbowl for quality. 
It's funny, i remember the gameplay improving throughout the alpha's and suddenly this map plays really in favour for RED past the first control point. Also, what happened to A at the bridge? Wasn't this 3cp?
BLU spend too much time just trying to clear out the building after CP1. IE 7 minutes just to clear the sentries on the other side of the door, and ledges, then 3 minutes are all that's left to assault the even more SG friendly last point.
It was suicide to attack the last point head on without an uber and almost always better to assault from the structure on the side where demos and soldiers could out range defensive positions on the opposite flank and ambush the rest below/above them from behind where it was fairly easy to kill the engi and make sure your support follows through on the buildings (because you'll probably die in the process when they realise what's happening as you're pretty exposed).
As long as RED don't realise the weakness on their flank, which they'll assume to be the case because it was their old spawn exit, attacks on the point from here were semi effective and we (as defenders) had to replace a number of our sentry guns because of such sneaky demomen; but ultimately they were nothing more than scratches on the surface of our defence despite a 20 second respawn. Afterwards this surprise flanking attack from the old spawn exit was rendered moot just by doing a couple patrols with the other engi's one by one and looking after friendly gear as necassery.
I can't remember what sort of spawn wave advantage BLU get after capping CP1 but it's not nearly enough. You could start by making the smaller entrance into the structure by CP1 one way for BLU so RED can only counter attack through the large door on ground level. This will at least stop RED immediately flanking all the supporting engineer gear where a single soldier or demo could take out 3 players worth of buildings with little to no effort or risk on their part.
BLU spend too much time just trying to clear out the building after CP1. IE 7 minutes just to clear the sentries on the other side of the door, and ledges, then 3 minutes are all that's left to assault the even more SG friendly last point.
It was suicide to attack the last point head on without an uber and almost always better to assault from the structure on the side where demos and soldiers could out range defensive positions on the opposite flank and ambush the rest below/above them from behind where it was fairly easy to kill the engi and make sure your support follows through on the buildings (because you'll probably die in the process when they realise what's happening as you're pretty exposed).
As long as RED don't realise the weakness on their flank, which they'll assume to be the case because it was their old spawn exit, attacks on the point from here were semi effective and we (as defenders) had to replace a number of our sentry guns because of such sneaky demomen; but ultimately they were nothing more than scratches on the surface of our defence despite a 20 second respawn. Afterwards this surprise flanking attack from the old spawn exit was rendered moot just by doing a couple patrols with the other engi's one by one and looking after friendly gear as necassery.
I can't remember what sort of spawn wave advantage BLU get after capping CP1 but it's not nearly enough. You could start by making the smaller entrance into the structure by CP1 one way for BLU so RED can only counter attack through the large door on ground level. This will at least stop RED immediately flanking all the supporting engineer gear where a single soldier or demo could take out 3 players worth of buildings with little to no effort or risk on their part.
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absurdistof
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You were there, no one beat it
I suggest moving the final CP at least out of the spawn's immediate area, and further towards the first CP.
I suggest moving the final CP at least out of the spawn's immediate area, and further towards the first CP.
McNuggetFiend
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- Jun 22, 2009
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What, what WHAT, happened to this one. I was prepared to give this a spot on my pub once the alpha textures were gone. : / Why do you toy with my emotions, Blob. Why :/
We pugged your map tonight, here's some feedback from it:
cp_tundra_a2a
Problems:
- extremely easy to defend 2nd (ability for defenders to push out)
- attacker push up to 2nd can be blocked by two people
- bad clipping on second (prop sign, metal grid, etc)
- pure sniper sightlines
- extremely narrow
Possible Solutions:
- forward spawn for attackers
- remove one or both of the walls
- FLANK ROUTES. FLANK ROUTES LEFT AND RIGHT.
Here's the stv: http://www.mediafire.com/?tb68a095uqc5yry
Also, I think they might have had had an issue with exec'ing the proper config, hopefully that doesn't throw off the data you can get from the test, though.
cp_tundra_a2a
Problems:
- extremely easy to defend 2nd (ability for defenders to push out)
- attacker push up to 2nd can be blocked by two people
- bad clipping on second (prop sign, metal grid, etc)
- pure sniper sightlines
- extremely narrow
Possible Solutions:
- forward spawn for attackers
- remove one or both of the walls
- FLANK ROUTES. FLANK ROUTES LEFT AND RIGHT.
Here's the stv: http://www.mediafire.com/?tb68a095uqc5yry
Also, I think they might have had had an issue with exec'ing the proper config, hopefully that doesn't throw off the data you can get from the test, though.
If anything, a proper exec would have let us use heavy and engie on defense, which would have made it even harder to attack last.