PL Crusoe a17b

A Maritime payload map set on a scottish island, by LeSwordfish and Tyler.

  1. nightwatch

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  2. LeSwordfish

    aa LeSwordfish semi-trained quasi-professional

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    Last edited: Dec 21, 2013
  3. tyler

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  4. LeSwordfish

    aa LeSwordfish semi-trained quasi-professional

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    what, you thought this was dead?

    this link says that that realistic estimate was in fact erroneous

    so more fool you

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  5. tyler

    aa tyler

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    Cool I downloaded it to my phone because I expected that link to be a post
     
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  6. LeSwordfish

    aa LeSwordfish semi-trained quasi-professional

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    A13 out

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    -added cover at A-B and B-C - including kind of breaking the C sightline
    -unlocked Blu's forward spawn sooner
    -reduced red respawn time at the finale
    -upped the brightness of interior lighting
    -general detail and lighting tweaks
    -retheme to thundermountain environmental style

    I say "kind of breaking" since i like that area as one that ranged classes can control - it's deliberately a good place for snipers, wranglers, etc. The new cover forces snipers to move forward a little to cover the choke, and prevents them from also covering the flank route across the bridge. Ideally this point should play almost like a CP - Blue have to flank, destroy/kill the long-range defenders, and then hold the top of the ramp for long enough to push the cart up. I mean, maybe not in practice, but that's the theory.

    A lot of the feedback I got was on dark areas, but the retheme of the map to thundermountain's style - complete with entirely different light_environment settings, different sun angle, and generally increased brightness - means that some of the advice is no longer relevant. I've upped the interior brightness, but some outside areas may still be a bit dark - any feedback on this is welcome.

    Below are pictures of it on full final compile mode - note that the released version is more basic since this turned out to have an areaportal glitch.
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  7. LeSwordfish

    aa LeSwordfish semi-trained quasi-professional

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    A14

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    This should now be uploaded to the tf2maps servers - I'm very keen to get it tested so feel free to throw it in any imps around. I think it's now good enough that I can start trying to get competitive testing on it as well - or should I wait until it's fully detailed? Since i'm detailing areas as I pin them down as "good" that could be a while. Similarly, I don't really want to start promoting it outside tf2m until it hits beta.
     
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  8. LeSwordfish

    aa LeSwordfish semi-trained quasi-professional

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    a14a has been released and tested - it fixes a bugged door. I should have a15 soon - before the end of the weekend, perhaps, but for now I wanted to check the timings to see if the map is really as long as all that.

    Time (Spawntime)
    Crusoe Badwater Upward
    Red>A 13 (4) 15 (8) 15 (9)
    Red>B 8 (8) 7 (8) 5 (10)
    Red>C 8 (6) 9 (8) 9 (10)
    Red>D 2 (5*) 4 (10) 5 (9)
    Blue>A 5 (3) 8 (4) 8 (4)
    Blue>B 12 (3) 12 (4) 16 (2)
    Blue>C 11 (3) 18 (4) 12 (2)
    Blue>D 17 (1) 14 (4) 11 (2)


    *already changed from a14(a)

    These are as scout, which was probably a bad idea: players will be far slower as other classes, skewing the numbers.
     
  9. LeSwordfish

    aa LeSwordfish semi-trained quasi-professional

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  10. LeSwordfish

    aa LeSwordfish semi-trained quasi-professional

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    So I have some ideas on what to do with this, since most points need some or other kind of layout change - hopefully these are legible.

    A)

    A pretty much works, I think! I want to make the glass window of the little building in front of spawn lower so you can see in from outside, but otherwise: probably done.

    B)

    Tyler was suggesting adjusting the flank so as to give an additional path into the warehouse area - I like that, and will be trying this:
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    Instead of the current doorway, open up the raised area into a fuller balcony, and put a door on that, plus some cover. This will then lead to the current flank past the spawn, but it's a bit easier for attackers to access, and gives them a bigger advantage in the current area.

    The one-way route to the point itself could be easier to use - I might simplify it to something like:

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    A single (or crooked) ramp or staircase, with some cover. (Cover will probably be more substantial than this.)

    This leads to:

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    This platform is way too high - it should be about the height of the top of the railings, so you can't jump up but its easier to jump down.

    Opposite this will be:

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    A slightly less wierd version of the old area, raised so as to be better for sentries: it should also be easier to see when coming from blu spawn.

    C)

    I need to think more about C, but the basic idea I have at the moment is:

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    Move the point back and put a sentry spot here: firstly for red to defend with, and then for blu to use to stop counter-pushes. Variant on this:

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    Put a roof for sentries - which would probably need something to stop it being used to defend the ramp up to here from B. I worry that this would make it too easy to defend though - big height advantage, with a very nasty sentry spot at the top? Especially with D so hard.

    D)

    I think D is proving to be not so bad now the timers are tweaked and the health reduced. I probably wont implement this change in the next version - i want more testing first, so will stick to the changes to B for a15 - but something like this:

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    This one isn't clear because its internal, but i'm thinking of an extra route from the top on the right through to above the doorway on the left, with closed windows for seeing the defenses and open windows for shooting sentries from.
     
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  11. saph

    aa saph still spilling paint

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    This is a great map, it's very beautiful for alpha. Some areas (mostly the two long/steep upward ramps) make the cart stop for a few minutes, but an Uber and a defensive offense (holding the area they currently control) is key to overcoming them. Final is pretty open, I would add a small barrier at the end before the sharp left turn to the spiral. The one jump is tricky to get to the side rooms. Maybe add a small ramp there? A steamroll can happen if BLU rushes A, but it's stopped around final usually. The map is great though, small tweaks are needed, but nothing major. Also, pack the caution tape texture into the BSP. I was missing the resource.
     
  12. LeSwordfish

    aa LeSwordfish semi-trained quasi-professional

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    a15 includes the following changes:
    • Clipping and bugfixes from a14c.
    • Reduced the time to cap A from 4:30 to 3:30 : A was always pretty easily capped, save for a few cases, and I want to make it just a bit more challenging. If this doesn't work, i'll revert it.
    • Increased the size of a window at A so blue can see the defense better. (X)
    • Adjusted the flank routes past B for slight advantage to attacker (X, X, X)
    • Adjusted sentry spot at B and route to C for defender advantage and clearer rollout. (X, X) (Not shown: now has a large ammo pack)

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  13. SC PL

    aa SC PL local shitposter

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    Looks nice
     
  14. LeSwordfish

    aa LeSwordfish semi-trained quasi-professional

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    Super quick four-month change.

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    Added a window at last instead of a door: should be a little easier for blue to use this area to snipe sentries. The open window is shuffled fairly far across so there's a lot of cover for the spawn exit: you can only cover half one door.

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    Moved C back and added a defensive position for Red. Should be fairly tricky - we'll see.

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  15. MegapiemanPHD

    aa MegapiemanPHD Doctorate in Deliciousness

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    This map was pretty fun. I hope you'll be able to get back to it at some point.
     
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  16. LeSwordfish

    aa LeSwordfish semi-trained quasi-professional

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    I still want to finish it - I just need to consolidate the files from my old computer and push through it. I'm thinking if doing my own 72hrjam at some point and trying to blitz through that.
     
  17. LeSwordfish

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  18. theatreTECHIE

    aa theatreTECHIE Yet another Techie for the net...

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    Had an idea while watching the demo of a17 and doing research on what I could put in a payload map.
    If you wanted to keep the curve in front of red's spawn in the final point, you could make it a rollback zone in front of red's spawn so that blu doesn't have to spawn camp to be able to push the cart. They just have to make a push to get the cart to the rollback zone, then another push to cap the cart.
     
  19. LeSwordfish

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  20. Kaibz

    Kaibz L1: Registered

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    This map really does play well and looks amazing, it's a shame most players don't like dev textures where i admin, otherwise we would play it every evening.
    Please tell me you are still working on it...