PL BeerBowl b8

[FLOOR_MASTER]

We've played at least a dozen rounds of b3b with 16v16. The most glaring issue right now is the ability for engineers to climb up to the area shown here. I'm not sure exactly what path they take, but I can find out if you're unable to determine that yourself:

 

[NightHawK]

We've played at least a dozen rounds of b3b with 16v16. The most glaring issue right now is the ability for engineers to climb up to the area shown here. I'm not sure exactly what path they take, but I can find out if you're unable to determine that yourself:

Okay Thanks. I'll fix that in beta 4.

Beta 4 should come out at the end of next month or earlier with Balancing Tweaks, Bug Fixes and more.

 

[Icarus]

I'll give you a link to our discussion topic since people are still discussing it (3 pages)

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[NightHawK]

I'll give you a link to our discussion topic since people are still discussing it (3 pages)

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Cool. Signed Up and all. I guess i have to clean up some areas with too many things. :blush:

 

[Phobos]

The map is the newest addition to my favorite server. The general feedback is positive and it is considered to be a fun map to play on. One of the most liked features is the option to get behind your enemy with ease. Oh, and randomness of the hotrod payload cart and the giant beer bottle of course.

There is also some critique:
- Many people think the map is cluttered, over-detailed etc... basically the same that has been said in this thread. Bottomline: Less is more.

- The signs are confusing. The map has Hydro signs, A-B-C signs in both team colors and the lorry sign all over it. People didn't find them helpful, but rather distracting. Reducing the amount of signs and keeping them in one color should help to avoid confusion.

- The first Blu spawn is considered to be too big.

And three personal comments:
1. Can you do something about the wheels at the payload? I think Icarus said that they can't be animated, but them standing still when the cart moves looks weird.

2. Why is in the final area a BLU billboard? And why is a truck behind the billboard...on a roof?

3. Nasty little easter egg on the bottle.

 

[NightHawK]

The map is the newest addition to my favorite server. The general feedback is positive and it is considered to be a fun map to play on. One of the most liked features is the option to get behind your enemy with ease. Oh, and randomness of the hotrod payload cart and the giant beer bottle of course.

There is also some critique:
- Many people think the map is cluttered, over-detailed etc... basically the same that has been said in this thread. Bottomline: Less is more.

- The signs are confusing. The map has Hydro signs, A-B-C signs in both team colors and the lorry sign all over it. People didn't find them helpful, but rather distracting. Reducing the amount of signs and keeping them in one color should help to avoid confusion.

- The first Blu spawn is considered to be too big.

And three personal comments:
1. Can you do something about the wheels at the payload? I think Icarus said that they can't be animated, but them standing still when the cart moves looks weird.

2. Why is in the final area a BLU billboard? And why is a truck behind the billboard...on a roof?

3. Nasty little easter egg on the bottle.

Thanks for the feedback, kinda working on removing unnecessary props.

For your Questions:

1. It's possible. Using a prop_dynamic as the cart model. Were still working on it.

2. I don't know...

3. Hahaha.

Well, if someone wants to help me out and show me where most of the clutter is that would help me out a lot.

I'm not too sure when i will be able to release beta 4 since, i been working a lot.

 

[Tapp]

Do you still want a custom explosion particle effect? I could help.

 

[Uriak]

Ho, I didn't look at the thread so far, but this map has been on our cycle for weeks now.

Well, I'll go with a bit the same critiques :

--> map very cluttered. There is amost no sense of space, spies are coming from everywhere and best option is to clamp to the cart. There are a few zones where demomen/sentry defence is just too strong.
-> the final straight line is really... final. Sure there are 2 sideways, but there are up to 3-4 four very good sentry spots. The one around the main gate can cover both the traks and the upper sideway. One über is almost always useless, 2 or more are required.
->detailling is a bit too much. The maps runs fine (at least for me) but there is a sens of visual distraction. Too many props without any color coherence. Try to simplify a bit and above all give a more coherent theme to parts of the maps. Maybe your lighting is too neutral.

Finally, most important issue, the first blue forward spawn ! It must absolutely not be enabled by a control point in front of it. So, either set this control point farther, either enable this spawn later.
Well aside from this, this is quite massive work, for an amusing theme.

 

[The Political Gamer]

Your map was been in the 2fort2furious server and many people have given feedback. These are some of the most repeated things people have said:

1. the framerates are really gnarly. Frontier at its worse was better than Beerbowl.
2. it's very chokepoint heavy and I can't help but feel like offense has a low win rate
3. it is thematically kinda thrown together. Parts don't feel distinct from one another
4. the map is super prop heavy

As harsh as this is I just thought you would like to know what non-mapping players are saying about the map.

 

[flubber]

2. it's very chokepoint heavy and I can't help but feel like offense has a low win rate

Once people know the map i think it's getting balance (on our server we are actually at : Red 146victory and 132 for Blue. The reals problems in the map for me are :
- Red spawn too far (especially to defend part 1)
- Too many pathways, it makes it look a little chaotic

 

[NightHawK]

Gonna start cleaning up the clutter and fix other things.

Also thanks for the feedback!

 

[NightHawK]

Pictures of slight improvements.

Still need to fix a few other things, I am pretty busy with school, so probably Beta 4, somewhere this month.

 

[Sgt.Sausage]

I am sure you have gotten this alot, but optimization is horrible you might want to remove some of the props. Their is just so much crap if you no what i mean its hard to look at and focus on gameplay. Everything looks the same and you bump into stuff alot.

But other than that its a fun map, love the layout and theme. Good luck

 

[absurdistof]

1) Lol Nice Caps Goin On There TeamNightHawk

2) Lol Sgt Sausage "but other than that..."

3) Looks good, make sure it plays good, and it is a bit detail-rediculous

4) Lots of blue lighting. Like, literal blue in those screenies.

 

[NightHawK]

I am sure you have gotten this alot, but optimization is horrible you might want to remove some of the props. Their is just so much crap if you no what i mean its hard to look at and focus on gameplay. Everything looks the same and you bump into stuff alot.

But other than that its a fun map, love the layout and theme. Good luck

I'm removing at least 35% of the props on the whole map. The pictures above are just a start. If you don't see the difference look closely. :O

Also, absurdistof

Thanks, I like how your list starts with all the letter L's.
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Just a small tad, secret.... I haven't really used a lot of hint brushes... I used a good amount of areaportals but, my map lacks optimization by Hint Brushes. So if anyone can help, and show me where to place these hint brushes it would help a lot. I'll look at the optimization tutorial and read more about the hint brushes. Once, i get done with a lot of homework.

 

[Sgt.Sausage]

I'm removing at least 35% of the props on the whole map. The pictures above are just a start. If you don't see the difference look closely. :O

Also, absurdistof

Thanks, I like how your list starts with all the letter L's.
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Just a small tad, secret.... I haven't really used a lot of hint brushes... I used a good amount of areaportals but, my map lacks optimization by Hint Brushes. So if anyone can help, and show me where to place these hint brushes it would help a lot. I'll look at the optimization tutorial and read more about the hint brushes. Once, i get done with a lot of homework.

That sounds good, i will make sure to pay close attention.

I didnt notice the l's till you said so.

 

[The Political Gamer]

Bug found by one of the 2f2f guys.

 

[ssupermario92]

lol looks like an awesome map,demomen everywhere would be proud

 

[absurdistof]

1) Nice bug

2) Nice to see that you are taking out some of those props

3) Neat cart!

4) Nubile necromancers negotiate necrosis of nebulas

5) Non-nub (pro)tip http://optimization.interlopers.net/ for optimization

6) Noting the good continuation of this map, I still want to play it! (2f2f was full, geuss thats good )

 

[Blue552]

just from the picks looks like theres a lot of props, could hinder peforemance - looks really cool though.