[WIP] ctf_Aerospace
- Thread starter Arhurt
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- May 7, 2008
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Code:
** Executing...
** Command: "e:steamsteamappsarhurtsourcesdkbinorangeboxbinvbsp.exe"
** Parameters: -game "e:steamsteamappsarhurtteam fortress 2tf" "E:steamsteamappsarhurtsourcesdk_contenttfmapsrc 04-remake2ctf_aerospace_a4_04"
Valve Software - vbsp.exe (Mar 11 2008)
2 threads
materialPath: e:steamsteamappsarhurtteam fortress 2tfmaterials
Loading E:steamsteamappsarhurtsourcesdk_contenttfmapsrc 04-remake2ctf_aerospace_a4_04.vmf
Patching WVT material: maps/ctf_aerospace_a4_04/dev/dev_blendmeasure_wvt_patch
Patching WVT material: maps/ctf_aerospace_a4_04/stonecave/stonecave_wvt_patch
Patching WVT material: maps/ctf_aerospace_a4_04/stonecave/stonecave_rock_musgo1_wvt_patch
Patching WVT material: maps/ctf_aerospace_a4_04/stonecave/aerograss1_wvt_patch
Patching WVT material: maps/ctf_aerospace_a4_04/stonecave/trunks_wvt_patch
fixing up env_cubemap materials on brush sides...
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Find Visible Detail Sides...
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FixTjuncs...
PruneNodes...
WriteBSP...
done (0)
writing E:steamsteamappsarhurtsourcesdk_contenttfmapsrc 04-remake2ctf_aerospace_a4_04.prt...Building visibility clusters...
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Creating default LDR cubemaps for env_cubemap using skybox materials:
skybox/sky_badlands_01*.vmt
! Run buildcubemaps in the engine to get the correct cube maps.
Creating default HDR cubemaps for env_cubemap using skybox materials:
skybox/sky_badlands_01*.vmt
! Run buildcubemaps in the engine to get the correct cube maps.
Finding displacement neighbors...
Finding lightmap sample positions...
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Building Physics collision data...
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Compacting texture/material tables...
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** Executing...
** Command: "e:steamsteamappsarhurtsourcesdkbinorangeboxbinvvis.exe"
** Parameters: -game "e:steamsteamappsarhurtteam fortress 2tf" "E:steamsteamappsarhurtsourcesdk_contenttfmapsrc 04-remake2ctf_aerospace_a4_04"
Valve Software - vvis.exe (Mar 11 2008)
2 threads
reading e:steamsteamappsarhurtsourcesdk_contenttfmapsrc 04-remake2ctf_aerospace_a4_04.bsp
reading e:steamsteamappsarhurtsourcesdk_contenttfmapsrc 04-remake2ctf_aerospace_a4_04.prt
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4533 numportals
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Optimized: 3139 visible clusters (0.00%)
Total clusters visible: 413208
Average clusters visible: 298
Building PAS...
Average clusters audible: 846
visdatasize:315591 compressed from 487520
writing e:steamsteamappsarhurtsourcesdk_contenttfmapsrc 04-remake2ctf_aerospace_a4_04.bsp
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** Executing...
** Command: "e:steamsteamappsarhurtsourcesdkbinorangeboxbinvrad.exe"
** Parameters: -both -game "e:steamsteamappsarhurtteam fortress 2tf" "E:steamsteamappsarhurtsourcesdk_contenttfmapsrc 04-remake2ctf_aerospace_a4_04"
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Valve Software - vrad.exe SSE (Mar 11 2008)
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physics terrain [variable] 57970/1048576 ( 5.5%)Just trying to figure out if something is wrong
- May 7, 2008
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Have been quietly working on some details around the entrance. I'm not going to make any major detailing on the hangers until I get a chance to play it on gameday.
I'm also modelling some stuff to go on the 3D-skybox.
I made a special light for the cave area, see what you think of it. It's based on a lightstick I saw on the The Fifth Element movie. I added a couble wardwired batteries to fit the TF2 theme better, see if you like it!
Here are a couple screenies of my current progress.
Looking at it now I definately need to enhance the red hangar lights. The Blue Hangar has a major flood of sunlight, but the Red one does not.
I'm also modelling some stuff to go on the 3D-skybox.
I made a special light for the cave area, see what you think of it. It's based on a lightstick I saw on the The Fifth Element movie. I added a couble wardwired batteries to fit the TF2 theme better, see if you like it!
Here are a couple screenies of my current progress.
Looking at it now I definately need to enhance the red hangar lights. The Blue Hangar has a major flood of sunlight, but the Red one does not.
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Awesome outside and hangar but the intel area looks uneventful in comparison.
Also, you have made a nice light prop but you have repeated it far too much.
Also, you have made a nice light prop but you have repeated it far too much.
- May 7, 2008
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Hey thanks!
I don`t think I overused it, as it is a very faint light and supposed to be like that, I`ll dig the scene I took inspiration from, at the end of the Fifth element movie, when Korben brings Leeloo back to earth and the temple is all prepared for them, they are lined up like that and make for a nice effect.
I also used them around the death pit edges to sort of bring them out and warn players where they can walk safetly and where they might slip in and fall down, as well as bringing attention to the pick-ups on the cave.
Thanks for the feedback, I look forward to playing on Gameday!
I don`t think I overused it, as it is a very faint light and supposed to be like that, I`ll dig the scene I took inspiration from, at the end of the Fifth element movie, when Korben brings Leeloo back to earth and the temple is all prepared for them, they are lined up like that and make for a nice effect.
I also used them around the death pit edges to sort of bring them out and warn players where they can walk safetly and where they might slip in and fall down, as well as bringing attention to the pick-ups on the cave.
Thanks for the feedback, I look forward to playing on Gameday!
- Feb 26, 2008
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Phew, Arhurt, you've really stepped it up with this latest level of polish. This map is going to be a great resume' piece with all of the CC you've constructed. I love the stylistic changes you've incorporated to differentiate between Red's and Blue's side.
The intel office room definitely puts more importance on getting to that location, in terms of graphics. Talk about gameplay and style going hand in hand!
I think at this point you should get a basic 3d skybox into the game. You've really improved the graphics all around and I know the skybox is probably one of the last concerns, but I think the skybox and real world geometry should be developed concurrently. For example, the new facades of both Red and Blue's "sides"/bases definitely distinguish between the two and look great as I said. But, at the moment, it feels like these are just two very different buildings thrown up next to each other. I'm not sure if you're going to stick to a rainforesty theme throughout the map, but having more buildings in both red and blue style as well as some transitional buildings between the two in the skybox would help to lessen the currently overwhelming contrast in the middle of the map without diminishing the gameplay effect of that contrast.
If you are sticking to the rainforest theme, consider using a gradient in height from blue's side to red in the skybox. For example, Red's side could scale up into a mountainside, allowing you to use a red/rock pallet in the distance, while blue's could slope downwards into a watershed,with a nice river coursing through it. You could even expand on your awesome waterfall by having a similarly eyepleasing one in the background.
Also, if you need some work done on optimization, I'd be willing to set up all the hints/areaportals/occluders if you'd like. I've gotten pretty good at it but I'm always looking for more exercises to practice with. But if you want to do that stuff yourself, I'd also be able to help in the form of diagrams tailored from your layout. Weird offer, don't have to take me up on it, just tryin' to help this map any way I can.
Sorry for the long post but the depth of consideration you're putting into this project warrants a lengthy response. Hope I helped and I definitely think this should be on Valve's consideration list for community map sponsoring
The intel office room definitely puts more importance on getting to that location, in terms of graphics. Talk about gameplay and style going hand in hand!
I think at this point you should get a basic 3d skybox into the game. You've really improved the graphics all around and I know the skybox is probably one of the last concerns, but I think the skybox and real world geometry should be developed concurrently. For example, the new facades of both Red and Blue's "sides"/bases definitely distinguish between the two and look great as I said. But, at the moment, it feels like these are just two very different buildings thrown up next to each other. I'm not sure if you're going to stick to a rainforesty theme throughout the map, but having more buildings in both red and blue style as well as some transitional buildings between the two in the skybox would help to lessen the currently overwhelming contrast in the middle of the map without diminishing the gameplay effect of that contrast.
If you are sticking to the rainforest theme, consider using a gradient in height from blue's side to red in the skybox. For example, Red's side could scale up into a mountainside, allowing you to use a red/rock pallet in the distance, while blue's could slope downwards into a watershed,with a nice river coursing through it. You could even expand on your awesome waterfall by having a similarly eyepleasing one in the background.
Also, if you need some work done on optimization, I'd be willing to set up all the hints/areaportals/occluders if you'd like. I've gotten pretty good at it but I'm always looking for more exercises to practice with. But if you want to do that stuff yourself, I'd also be able to help in the form of diagrams tailored from your layout. Weird offer, don't have to take me up on it, just tryin' to help this map any way I can.
Sorry for the long post but the depth of consideration you're putting into this project warrants a lengthy response. Hope I helped and I definitely think this should be on Valve's consideration list for community map sponsoring
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Nosher
L4: Comfortable Member
- Feb 3, 2008
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Also, if you need some work done on optimization, I'd be willing to set up all the hints/areaportals/occluders if you'd like. I've gotten pretty good at it but I'm always looking for more exercises to practice with. But if you want to do that stuff yourself, I'd also be able to help in the form of diagrams tailored from your layout. Weird offer, don't have to take me up on it, just tryin' to help this map any way I can.
Sorry for the long post but the depth of consideration you're putting into this project warrants a lengthy response. Hope I helped and I definitely think this should be on Valve's consideration list for community map sponsoring
Sorry in advance, but this is not a total thread hijack....
Mangy - any chance you could point me in the right direction regarding hints / areaportals etc...just need to be put on the right track....read tuts and still cannot get my head around it....
And getting BACK on topic, I wholeheartedly agree with your last point above - Valve should certainly consider this map for sponsoring......bloody great effort Arhurt.
Nosh.
Wow. Really nice map.
Intel room needs some more detail to match the rest of the map, but overall its fantastic.
Keep it up!
Intel room needs some more detail to match the rest of the map, but overall its fantastic.
Keep it up!
- May 7, 2008
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Thanks everyone for the good feedback!
I've been playing with the skybox for this release, and here is the current progress that is going up for gameday:
Mind you that these are the good looking parts, the rest is just a major WIP and really just put togheter for the gameday. All this is going trough a major rework to really be pretty the way I want it!
Cheers!
I've been playing with the skybox for this release, and here is the current progress that is going up for gameday:
Mind you that these are the good looking parts, the rest is just a major WIP and really just put togheter for the gameday. All this is going trough a major rework to really be pretty the way I want it!
Cheers!
- Feb 26, 2008
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Sick, the skybox work really paid off
Is that a mountain obscured by cloud in the distance? If so, AWESOME
Maybe amplify that effect by having part of the skybox lower than the field, clouds amongst mountaintops looks really cool
Is that a mountain obscured by cloud in the distance? If so, AWESOME
Maybe amplify that effect by having part of the skybox lower than the field, clouds amongst mountaintops looks really cool
ChronoTriggerFan
L420: High Member
- Feb 3, 2008
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This map is looking really great so far. Now you can actually tell that its in a jungle/forest. detail everywhere is amazing. Some minor issues though:
On BLU's side, there seems the be a bunch of random respawn visualizers placed there. They look horrible and... random
Now with all these extra walls and such cluttering up th play field, this map could defiantly benefit from some arrows directing you where to go.
The cat walks in the hangars, in my opinion, need to be a bit wider, as I have as a tendency to fall off them.
some detail contradicts the teams "stlye", like the hangar doors on red's side.
Otherwise, great looking map! can't wait to see all of it detailed.
On BLU's side, there seems the be a bunch of random respawn visualizers placed there. They look horrible and... random
Now with all these extra walls and such cluttering up th play field, this map could defiantly benefit from some arrows directing you where to go.
The cat walks in the hangars, in my opinion, need to be a bit wider, as I have as a tendency to fall off them.
some detail contradicts the teams "stlye", like the hangar doors on red's side.
Otherwise, great looking map! can't wait to see all of it detailed.
- Feb 26, 2008
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Played well on Gameday and got a ton of compliments. Battles out front are really fun, but sometimes the gameplay gets too spread out because the caves/tunnels underneath each base are too big. I'd say keep the cavern area but have only one exit on each side straight up to the in-between room between the outside and the hangar's outside.
roninmodern
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- Feb 5, 2008
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This really looks amazing, I can't wait to see it.
I bet Valve picks it up like they did with Turbine once you release it.
I bet Valve picks it up like they did with Turbine once you release it.
There is an explosion of HDR from the outside when going from the concrete area into the cave area underground. Its like BOOM. You know what I mean.