I realized later Snakewater is an exception to this all.
The Future of Compensation for TF2 Mappers: A Community / Valve Discussion
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I realized later Snakewater is an exception to this all.
I think valve explicitely looks for maps that work well at higher player counts.
For pub play with higher player counts matchmaking has what it needs. It has the somewhat minimal setting of 24p normal respawn. but also 32p insta respawn. If it would only accept maps for 6v6 you would give players a worse experience.
Where at 6v6 its normaly comp and just gets arranged by the league itself. So custom maps that arent in the game are not a problem here at all.
If i look at upward and barnblitz. both dont feature that much single path areas. If they do its most of the time at the final capture point, and even then its often still 3 entrances. For comp 2 would have been acceptable because the player count is often just too low for extra, but on pub this is devestating as it becomes a turtlefest.
If i would look at upward i notice alot of possible entrances to the final area. And they are most of the time only needed for pub. In a comp game when 4 people died you often can push the cart far enough anyway. Its still more based on making player kill than to perform the objective.
In a 5cp map for pub you dont want spires to capture. captures are hard enough already with more defense. But for comp having a flat ground is simply too easy. The spire there is to slow down the pace by making a defend action far more effective.
I don't think a map needs to be innovative to be included in TF2. In fact I think there are some great standard maps that don't do anything outside of the normal gameplay for a mode that should be made official.
I do like it when a map maker tries something new with an established mode and it succeeds, for example even though I think PL_Frontier has a lot of problems I do like how the cart it different from any other payload map and how that changes the way battles play out around the cart vs a normal payload map. I also really like payload maps like Swifwater, Borneo and Boundary and even though none of them do anything different with the payload mode like Frontier does I would still like to see one or more of them go official.
most people jump to custom game modes when they hear "innovative" when really, just making a 5cp map with a last point that's not badlands is amazingly innovative. That's how sad the lack of innovation got (in my eye at least). Level design is layout dependent and you don't need innovative game modes to force you to make innovative layouts.
If the 5CP market weren't already so crowded I might be inclined to try to implement that concept I shared ages ago where each team has only one spawn room and the exit doors just change, Steel-style.
And 2street was my attempt at innovating CTF, but I got hung up my lack of reference pictures for narrow, winding European city streets. Still am.
And 2street was my attempt at innovating CTF, but I got hung up my lack of reference pictures for narrow, winding European city streets. Still am.
So Valve had the author of PL_Borneo upload the map to the cosmetic workshop for some reason on June 9th (it says in the description uploaded at Valve's request). It was briefly made public (probably by accident) and there is a Google Cache version of it here.
Could we possibly be looking at the next community map to go official? Why else would Valve want it uploaded to the cosmetic workshop when it was already on the map workshop?
Could we possibly be looking at the next community map to go official? Why else would Valve want it uploaded to the cosmetic workshop when it was already on the map workshop?
Hehehehehehe
What a diabolical laugh.
Same here.
IIRC Fr0Z3n knew about Process and Standin going official before they went official and teased us by posting a texture from Process over on Facepunch's TF2 major update speculation thread so it could be a good laugh.
Must of been someone else, though I remember we tracked down who made the textures and it was someone who made a payload map which we though was going to go official, not realizing that the same textures were used in Process.
Yeah that was it.
I wouldn't mind seeing Borneo go official. As I'm sure I've posted before it's a fun map that reminds me a bit of Barnblitz with a nice set of custom textures that makes it stand out for other maps. If it is going official hopefully it's not the only map.
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Ah yes, that was an interesting time...
Edit: Oh... and I'm a bit late to the party here. Hah >_>