Hello I joined this forum years ago, mapped for years alone but didn't post. Today I hit my limit break after 6+ hours of trying to get something super simple to work. I want to score points manually. tf_gamerules has AddRedTeamScore and AddBlueTeamScore inputs. I've tried firing them from triggers, item_teamflags, and through logic_relays. I've tried a parameter override of 1 , 2 , 3 , "1", +1 and I've tried leaving it blank. All the entities show connected correctly. Nothing happens. There are only 3 dialog boxes and no flags I can see that need setting. Why does this not work? If I deliberately mess the parameter override or do it without the logic_relay it will give me... !! ERROR: bad input/output link: !! tf_gamerules(tf_gamerules,AddRedTeamScore) doesn't match type from logic_relay ...but that only shows the output is reaching tf_gamerules that error won't show if I use what I think is correct, a 1 and a logic_relay. ...and yes I've googled until I'm blue. To any replies I have to go for a bit and will probably reply tomorrow. Thank you for any help.