I attended NIU a few years ago

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  1. Armadillo of Doom

    aa Armadillo of Doom Group Founder, Lover of Pie

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    For those who don't know, some dumb fuck busted into a lecture hall the other day and offed 5 peeps, then himself. I suppose I should be thankful I flunked out lol. Also, I received very harsh penalties for 'misuse of the science facility'. Apparently, trying to mix Hydrogen with small amounts of combustible material in an effort to develop a new fuel was deemed 'highly dangerous and unsafe' by the school, and 'are you insane?' by others. Point being, I wish these kind of events weren't becoming so trendy. It's like we can't go one year without a few of these fruitloops. /endrant On a lighter note, how's everyone's mapping coming along?
     
  2. YM

    aa YM LVL100 YM

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    Close encounters huh? I swear its all down to gun legality...

    Anyway, mapping is great thanks :D
     
  3. ryodoan

    ryodoan Resident Bum

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    Then I suppose it was a good thing that the campus had a strict "No Guns" Policy ensuring that only the shooter had a weapon.

    That Mall shooting that happened recently was the same way, they had a strict "No Guns" policy preventing people with conceal and carry permits from carrying guns into the mall.

    Honestly, I just did a research paper on the effects of gun control on crime is different countries and the fact is that its not how many guns or how legal guns are it is how the culture in that country perceives guns.

    For instance I believe its Sweden that has a much, much higher guns / people ratio than most of the world, but they also have one of the lowest gun crime rate.

    Japan on the other hand could be seen as an example of a country where gun control works, they have extremely strict gun control laws, and their gun shooting deaths are very low, so low you are more likely to be attacked with a bladed weapon than a gun. However, if you look at the history of firearms in Japan you will see that even before the laws were in place gun crime was already incredibly low before the laws were passed.

    Australia recently changed their gun laws from a set of laws very similar to the US to a much stricter set of gun laws and the gun homicide rate has not really changed.

    We looked at 4 different countries in depth and a whole list of countries just on the statistics for those countries and we did not really see a pattern develop in either direction (Strong Gun laws -> Low Gun crime) (Strong Gun Laws -> More Gun Crime) (Lax Gun Laws -> High Gun Crime) or (Lax Gun Laws -> Low Gun Crime)

    I think in order for something to change what needs to happen is not the criminalization of possessing firearms, but instead the much harder, more effective task of educating and changing the perception of the American people on firearms.
     
  4. timberghost_paintball

    timberghost_paintball L2: Junior Member

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    Bravo, fellow ohioan bravo. I tried to tell my teacher this and he wouldn't believe me, and iirc washington dc passed a pistol ban and pistol crime has increased a little since, the law is currently being appealed in the courts. Laws only effect the law abiding, and people that do this crazy stuff aren't law abiding. Granted this nut did get his guns legally but even if there were a ban he'd probably be able to get one. At least the cops on my campus are armed, we had a shooting about 10 years ago at another school on the same campus and it was a real mess cause the guy was armed to the teeth and armored. So safety is taken pretty seriously. But anyways I'd rather be thankful for my safety and get to mapping.
     
  5. Scotland Tom

    Scotland Tom L6: Sharp Member

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    Freedom comes with responsibility. There are always those who will act irresponsibly. So, if we want our freedoms, we've got to expect the irresponsible to rear their ignorant heads from time to time.
     
  6. Armadillo of Doom

    aa Armadillo of Doom Group Founder, Lover of Pie

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    Rock on brother.
     
  7. crazychicken

    crazychicken L2: Junior Member

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    The whole thing lasted less than 60 seconds, the chances of a fast moving suicidal target being stopped quickly is minimal. And it's only gun fans who want to carry guns, not everyone wants to walk around with a loaded gun hovering above their dicks.
     
  8. drp

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    you're right. not everyone wants to, but the minority who do, should have the right to. at least here in the US they should. I live in texas (yeehaw). I have a 12ga shotgun that i keep in my home for defense. i also carry in my car a glock. its in the glove box and the clip is in my center console. should the need arise that i ever need to use it, i will. law abiding citizens should have the right to protect themselves from any harm or harm to their property. texas just passed a law that allows you to defend yourself or others from violent crimes without retreat using deadly force.

     
  9. YM

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    That screwed logic is exactly why it is so easy for various loonies to walk into a school and kill people.
     
  10. Scotland Tom

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    I'll reiterate. Freedom necessitates responsibility. We here in the U.S. have the right to protect ourselves. If someone chooses to do so with firearms, that's his right. Of course, again, there will ALWAYS be those who act irrationally or irresponsibly when given the opportunity. I would rather deal with those people and circumstances than deny freedom to those who handle it responsibly.
     
  11. drp

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    like you put it 'loonies' will do what they want to do even if guns are banned from a certain school/mall/etc.

    i hate to put it bluntly, but someone looking to rape or murder people deserve to be shot.

    also, someone who is mentally unstable will do what they want no matter the consequences or barriers. why not give the law abiding citizen a chance to protect themselves.

    i know many succumb to anti firearm rhetoric and actually believe that automatically 'guns = bad' in any circumstance.

    its also amusing to me how people who whine and complain about the police response time, fail to take an active step towards getting their CHL.

    its human nature to protect yourself. how and with what, well thats up for debate.
     
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  12. Dox

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    If he didnt have a gun he would have probably dont the same thing with a katana, a home made flamethrower, a bomb made using Immortal's "new fuel", or something else. Its not the weapons thats the problem, its the mentality of the individual.
     
  13. YM

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    I don't mean guns should be banned from certain places, I mean if there are no guns due to the total banning of guns (even for the police, but that is much less important) then it becomes far harder to get hold of a gun.

    Anyone can shoot someone, its not hard. to kill someone with someother weapon takes more balls, which a certain amount of these 'loonies' may not have, so if they cant get hold of a gun that cant possibly be bad can it?

    "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" this statement which probably a lot of people believe is just wrong.

    Imagine this:

    Two people fight
    -Chances are both survive

    Two people fight, they have acess to guns
    -Chances are one ends up dead

    Wich is better? I know wich one I'd pick
     
  14. ryodoan

    ryodoan Resident Bum

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    If guns are totally banned, you think that nobody will have guns. However, I feel that you are forgetting several things.

    1. The massive border with Mexico.
    2. The inability of the government to even slow down the drug trade.
    3. Most homicides are related to crime.
    4. Many guns used in crimes are already illegally aquired.


    You mention two senarios, you forgot the others

    Two people fight, one has a gun.
    - Mostly likely outcome is one dead.

    One person breaks into a home, has a gun, and has a near 100% assurance the occupants are unarmed.
     
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  15. Scotland Tom

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    There are over 301,140,000 people in the United States (as of July 2007.) Each year there are approximately 390,000 violent crimes involving firearms. That's ANY violent crime, including robbery, assault, homicide... etc. Assuming that there is one person responsible for each of those crimes, that's .13% of the entire US population that commits violent crimes with guns each year. I'm certainly not going to live in fear of, or give up any of my freedoms for that .13%. I'd prefer my taxes go to things like education and social programs; to improve the number and quality of opportunities people in this country have to improve themselves and their lives.

    EDIT: Oh, and what if we did ban guns outright? Even limit local law enforcement to non-lethal weaponry only. How will our enemies - from petty criminals to foreign terrorists - exploit the fact that even our first responders would be bringing "knives to a gunfight?"
     
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  16. Kirko

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    Death Penalty. You shoot a guy you get hung. Not needled. Straight roped in public. No one will shoot anyone then. Jail for shooting someone is not a big enough punishment.
     
  17. YM

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  18. Dox

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    Wait, we still talking about firearms here?
     
  19. drp

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    yes,. in a perfect world, no guns would be a utopia. but, you're forgetting one thing. you're government. Americans are given the right to have guns not just to protect themselves from each other, but from their govt. sadly, it looks like a peaceful fascist movement is still going underway but thats another thread altogether. :sleep:
     
  20. drp

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