PL Coyote A17

Payload map built around a train

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    - Added clipping above the first Blu spawn, which previously let you leave the map.
    - Added soundscapes.
    - Added warning lights under the track on C.
    - Added a BlockBullets to the viaduct on A.
    - Added a connector on Last to give attackers easier access to the stairs behind the catwalk on Last.
    - Added a sheet of metal to block a sightline out of the diagonal door in Blu's first spawn.
    - Added a medium health and ammo to the underground flank on B.
    - Added fences where level borders were less obvious.
    - Added an arrow sign to the dropdown into the underground B flank that disappears when A is captured.
    - Added a kill trigger to the finale.
    - Extended the staircase into the lobby into the catwalk on Last to accommodate the new route into the catwalk stairs.
    - Extended the doorway to the balcony over C.
    - Distinguished walkable roofs from non-walkable ones on A.
    - Fixed sounds not playing on the trains.
    - Fixed (some of) the skybox seams visible around A.
    - Fixed the train being triggered after Last was capped.
    - Fixed temporary directional signs not appearing like they should.
    - Fixed the one-way trigger for the noentry shutter over Red's forward spawn sticking out too far and triggering from both sides.
    - Disabled the warning lights/bells after Blu wins.
    - Smoothed a few displacements.
    - Upscaled some of the cliff textures.
    - Replaced one of the full ammo packs on Last with a medium one.
    - Func_detail'd some angled geometry.
    - Swapped a few dev textures for consistency.
    - Moved the train gate triggers to stop the trains clipping with them as they pass.

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    Tuned the train on last to trigger it with the cart (up to once every 20-90 seconds, depending on how aggressive Blu is)
    - Added an OnPass trigger for the finale train at the end of the cart track, with a debounce of 20s
    - Increased the train spawn interval from 30s to 45s
    - Increased the train spawn interval on Last from 30s to 90s
    - Halved the size of the rollback zone on Last
    - Removed the warning whistle from the finale train

    Gave Red a slightly easier time defending on B and C by making rollouts quicker and offering more health/cover.
    - Added a one-way shutter into Red's lobby behind B that opens permanently once B is captured.
    - Added health and ammo to the deck over B
    - Moved Checkpoint C farther down the bridge
    - Raised part of the floor in Blu's first spawn to give Blu snipers a harder time shooting through the diagonal door.
    - Replaced a small health pack in the big flank on Last with a medium one.
    - Gave Red a little more height on C and a little more space
    - Removed the two shutters into Red's lobby behind B
    - Removed the NoDraw textures on the backs of the previously inaccessible shutters
    - Removed part of the Blu flank into C

    Fixed a few quality-of-life things.
    - Added missing patches under the pickups on A
    - Added a light to the elbow into the catwalk on Last.
    - Added a ramp missing right of the main door into C
    - Added warning lights to the room into the catwalk over Last
    - Widened the door into the catwalk on Last
    - Raised the Field of View of the spectator cams to 75
    - Raised the spectator cam overlooking C toward Blu's main entrance
    - Lowered one of the retaining walls on the left side of Blu's spawn to create a skill jump and allow low-mobility classes access to that small roof
    - Extended the platform outside of Red's first spawn to make it more difficult to get stuck between it and the train if you miss a jump onto a passing flatcar
    - Replaced some of the retaining walls with their final versions with beams.
    - Recreated the displacements in Blu's third spawn to satiate Hammer
    - Extended the finale explosion hitbox by 256hu
    - Removed a retaining wall (meant to block a nonexistent sightline) in the yard behind C and extended the ramp

    Added some signs to keep players from getting lost.
    - Added an arrow sign to the building over the track in front of C that is hidden when B is captured
    - Added arrow sign outside of Blu's second spawn that appears when B is captured
    - Added arrow sign outside of Blu's third spawn that appears when C is captured

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    Fixed a bug where if Blu pushes the cart onto the track but it rolls back before the train hits it, and Blu pushes it back into place before the debounce ends, a train will not trigger
    - Added an OnPass trigger to the final path_track to change the train timer's refire interval from 60s to 20s
    - Added an OnPass trigger to the penultimate path_track to change the train's refire interval from 20s to 60s
    - Changed the final train's default refire interval from 90s to 60s


    Fixed some miscellaneous clarity issues
    - Rotated a warning light that was facing a wall because I'm an idiot
    - Removed two NoEntry shutters from a flank that was removed
    - Removed soundscapes for areas that no longer exist


    Fixed some quality of life things
    - Added a window to let Red see when a train is coming from their first spawn
    - Added clipping around the second point
    - Added some gameplay signs
    - Clipped off an area of fence on A that players could stand on
    - Extended Red's first spawn to the left and moved some spawns back
    - Finalized more retaining walls
    - Fixed some misaligned dev textures

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    I received a lot of feedback from the last playtest that players' understanding of the map hurt their ability to play it well enough to give feedback on the layout.
    - Added numbered signs above the exits to Blu's first spawn
    - Added a sign that closes with the capture of A to the right of the door out of the shack A is within
    - Added a sign to the flank around checkpoint A
    - Added a sign that appears when A is captured to direct Blu toward B
    - Added a right-facing arrow behind the door behind B that opens once it's captured
    - Added a capture point sign right of the big gate out of Red's lobby behind B
    - Added a "Restricted area" sign above the last gate before the viaduct
    - Added a NoEntry sign on a shutter above the one-way door into the lobby behind B that changes to a C sign once B is captured
    - Added an arrow sign to the hoodoo the cart track wraps around on C
    - Added a "Restricted Area" sign above the track on the sign that prevents players from riding boxcars between opposite ends of the map.
    - Added a capture point arrow on the opposite side of that arrow to better alert players to the more direct route to B
    - Added a right-facing arrow to the building behind the curve up to Checkpoint C
    - Added a down-facing arrow pointing to the dropdown over the train in front of C
    - Added a left-facing capture point arrow in-sight of Red's second spawn, pointing them toward the main exit.
    - Added shutters to both entrances to the stairs up to the catwalk on the last checkpoint that open when Checkpoint C is captured
    - Added a capture zone sign to the side of the bridge checkpoint C is on top of, to better signal to red players leaving their second spawn what they are meant to defend
    - Added hazard stripes to the edge of the platform outside of Red's first spawn where first-time players may not be aware a train comes

    Replaced the flat roofs with more thematically appropriate ones. This is also to help make navigating the map more intuitive and let more light into some of the formerly dark areas. The following changes are summarized for brevity.
    - Added roofs in-sight of players leaving Checkpoint A to direct their attention left, toward Checkpoint B
    - Added roofs in-sight of players leaving the lobby behind B through the train gate to let them know they can't stay on the train, and must pick a door to continue to roll out through.
    - Added roofs over the building in front of C to direct Red players' attention as they leave D to the right, where feedback said it wasn't obvious Blu were coming from.
    - Added roofs over the building in front of C to direct Blu players' attention toward Checkpoint C as they enter along the cart track.
    - Added roofs over the building housing the final checkpoint to direct all players' attention toward the cart track running parallel to it.


    Made a few minor gameplay changes and miscellaneous bug fixes.
    - Fixed a backwards warning light I said I fixed in A6 but didn't because I'm an idiot
    - Fixed a bug with the debounce on Last that set the spawn interval of all trains to 20s instead of 45s
    - Added a rotating door to the building above the track on C to accommodate the new roof that doesn't hide a sliding shutter
    - Added a brush to block the health pack behind C from being seen from the balcony, to force attacking players to commit and expose themselves to pick off weakened defenders
    - Added nav avoid brushes to Blu's second spawn and the train gate that opens in the middle of the map to make testing with bots easier
    - Replaced a security fence on Last with a wood fence
    - Replaced the medium health pack in front of Red's first spawn with a small one.
    - Removed a retaining wall on the balcony in front of B favoring Blu

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    Added rollback zones to force Blu to commit to pushing B and C:
    - Added a rollback zone to the slope up to Checkpoint C to make it easier to deny Blu the height over the cliff behind C
    - Added a rollback zone to the slope up to Checkpoint B to force Blu to commit to pushing B
    - Added hazard tape to mark the rollback zone up to Checkpoint C
    - Added hazard tape to mark the rollback zone up to Checkpoint B
    - Added hazard tape to the existing rollback zone on the finale

    General bug fixes and clarity changes:
    - Added miscellaneous clarity signs around Last
    - Fixed an AreaPortal that was too thick for the wall it was in and rendered the void instead of the room
    - Fixed a light that was stuck in a wall
    - Fixed some visible NoDraw textures on the backs of some func_doors that didn't go all the way into the wall
    - Fixed a roof above the first Blu spawn that one of the gates clipped through when it opened
    - Changed the color of the Blue dev textures in an area some players mistook for a spawn room
    - Clipped off the edge of a roof that wasn't clipped in front of C

    Fixed a bug that arises on poor server hardware. Sometimes, when the train connects with the cart, the triggers on it and the cart fail to recognize they've triggered one another. In this instance, the train pushes the cart into the wall, the train stops, the cart can't roll back, and the timer runs out
    - Added an output to teleport the train to the start of the track before telling it to start forward, so if something does go wrong, it eventually rights itself
    - Extended the final trigger farther into the train to let it trigger even if they've clipped through one another
    - Delayed the final train's StartForward by .1 seconds

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    Misdiagnosed an issue with the trigger on the finale train last time, and in trying to fix it, created a whole new issue. Turns out it was just an issue with the path_tracks enabling and disabling the trigger properly. While it made for a funny end to an imp, letting Blu win is more important.
    - Set the finale trigger to enable at the beginning of the rollback zone, instead of the middle of it
    - Simplified the geometry under the finale to prevent the cart from jittering and leaving the track the way it does
    - Moved the path_tracks back from the ramp to prevent the env_shake from triggering needlessly

    On the first versions of Coyote, I greatly overestimated Red's ability to hold each of the points. Consequently, a lot of choices were made with the benefits of offensive players in mind, even when they didn't actually need the help.
    - Moved the trigger for the train to switch from Red to Blue to the start of the rollback zone on B, instead of the middle of the curve into B
    - Replaced the medium ammo pack on the platform left of the door to Checkpoint A with a full ammo pack
    - Added a rollback zone to one of the earlier slopes up to Checkpoint C

    General quality-of-life changes
    - Added most of the floor textures
    - Added props to the straight sections of cart track
    - Added arrows to all the rollback zones
    - Added a crate to make the skill jump to the accessible roof left of Blu's first spawn a little easier
    - Added a team-colored signal before Checkpoint B that switches colors when the direction of the trains change
    - Added another team-colored signal next to Checkpoint C to show when the trains turn Red again
    - Added env_spark animations to the signals
    - Added a BlockBullets to the computer in the room behind the catwalk on Last
    - Separated the light/bell warnings on B and C from the ones on D to let them begin closer to when the train is going to appear in that area and cut down on the time you hear bells ringing
    - Got started on some more of the displacements
    - Clipped off some possibly exploitable spots
    - Simplified some geometry around B and Last
    - Changed the names of the control points to, "the Valley," "the Bridge," the Overpass," and "the Train" respectively

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    I missed a problem with the bells on B and C not playing properly originating from the way the B bells are disabled when C is captured. Yes, this problem warrants an entire download update.
    - Added an output in the relay that changes the train from the Blue train to the Red one to set the volume of the bells on B to 0, rather than the previous method
    - Replaced the output in the warning relay that plays the bells

    I have added a cactus outside of Blu's third spawn as a grim reminder to always test my map with my headphones plugged in.

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    I received a lot of feedback that B is difficult to hold because the flank around the choke formed by the A checkpoint building, is too easily bypassed by going through the door that opens with A, which gives attackers height behind where Red is holding. The original intent to make a point with the same dynamic as Badwater's Second Point, where the roof is Red's main hold location and the area before it is Blu's "lobby" to attack it from. The design of the map didn't support this however, so I must adapt.
    - Added a shutter to the upper entrance to the flank
    - Added a doorway before the stairs to put a shutter into
    - Added a sign overlay to the inside of the shuttered room, to explain its purpose before players are allowed to explore for themselves.
    - Extended the room the stairs are in to accommodate the new wall
    - Moved the health and ammo in the flank to keep them in play before Blu has pushed to the point in the track the roof opens up

    I also received feedback about the flank that goes around the platform on A was too advantageous for attackers, and was too viable to push from. The intent was to make a risky flank that puts attackers on the low ground and on the wrong side of a choke, highly trafficked by defenders because of the valuable health pack.
    - Replaced the medium health pack with a small one. The pack only ended up favoring attackers, because despite not being able to retreat through the dropdown, the health was all they needed to retreat to.
    - Replaced the small health pack in the flank right of Checkpoint A to compensate for the now missing medium health pack.

    Continuing to make Blu's life hell, I made some changes to Checkpoint C too. Red seems to have a hard time getting their first hold of the cliff/overpass area, so Blu railroads them before their hold can be properly established. After that, the point plays pretty well.
    - Moved the checkpoint to the very end of the bridge
    - Added a third rollback zone to the last slope before the bridge
    - Raised a retaining wall to block a sightline between the cliff and the left door out of Blu's third spawn


    Clipped off some sneaky spots for jumping classes.
    - Added clipping over the door to the viaduct on the roof in front of B
    - Added clipping to the train gates on C
    - Added clipping to the sign in the gate left of Red's first spawn to prevent players riding the finale train into the building above the track from getting stuck on the hanging sign and being killed from the dropdown
    - Added clipping above the retaining walls right of the main entrance to Last and rounded off the corner
    - Added clipping behind the fence in the building behind B


    Miscellaneous bug fixes and QoL changes
    - Added a 20-second cooldown following the active train being switched to prevent an edge case where trains going opposite directions clipped through one another.
    - Added a train trigger to the end of the aforementioned 20-second cooldown
    - Added a resupply cabinet that was missing from Blu's second spawn
    - Added a 3D skybox
    - Extended the ramp onto the cliff on B to make it less steep
    - Extended the ramp in Blu's second spawn to make it less steep
    - Extended the trigger for the noentry shutter out of Red's first spawn that closes when B is captured
    - Filled a hole in Blu's first spawn's func_respawnroom that engineers could build in
    - Fixed a hole in the clipping above the right flank into Last
    - Removed a barrel that was intended to allow Red players to jump over the Blue train before the flank left of Red's first train was opened up before B is captured

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    Made some pretty drastic changes to Last to make pushing into it more difficult. The previous version prevented Red from rolling out to C due to the inconvenient train/exit placement, and gave Blu a height advantage they didn't deserve.
    - Added a platform to the corner where the cart enters Last
    - Added a 64hu platform outside of Red's spawn
    - Added a fence to the end of the catwalk
    - Added a door to the elbow to access to the new platform
    - Added a shutter that closes when C is captured to cut off the elbow from the catwalk
    - Added a shutter that opens when C is captured to let players onto the new platform
    - Added signs to the elbow
    - Added windows to Red's second spawn to let them safely see what Blu is up to and be ready for it as they leave spawn
    - Added a column in the corner the cart goes around on its way into Last to provide cover to the new platform, restrict sight into the dump truck cubby, and to give players pushing through the main entrance a piece of cover to juke around
    - Removed the stairwell room from behind the catwalk
    - Removed the medium health pack from the catwalk
    - Removed the connector between the main area around Last and the stairwell
    - Removed the shutters from the elbow into the lobby onto the catwalk from C
    - Removed one of the black voids from inaccessible area of track beneath the lobby formerly into the catwalk
    - Removed the angled part of the catwalk
    - Turned the dump truck to give engineers more protection when setting up in the cubby
    - Raised the ceiling on Last to accommodate the new platform
    - Made the control point arrow directing players out of Last larger

    The length and frequency of the trains were meant to force Red to change the way they defend each of the points while the train is in the map. The train on A and B does that, but the Blue train that starts to appear just before B is captured only ended up artificially extending their respawn time by about 10 seconds, making it difficult for them to roll out to C in time to defend it.
    - Removed the path_track outputs for the train gates, because they were too fiddly and difficult to make changes to. I've spent entire days trying to get all 16 path_tracks in both directions in the right place and the right order, so I replaced them with giant trigger_multiples instead!
    - Removed four boxcars from each of the red trains, taking it from a length of 11 cars (including the engine) (6400 hu) to 7 (~4000 hu)
    - Reduced the length of the blue train from 6 cars (~3200 hu) (including the engine) to 5
    - The route-blocking lad is no more!

    General changes
    - Added a more obvious sign pointing players toward the shorter route from Red's first spawn to A and B
    - Added a less eye-catching sign above the door players were mistakenly using, to point them in the right direction even if they disobey the other signs
    - Removed a crate stack on the platform left of the door to Checkpoint A that was meant to counter turtle engineers that never ended up being a problem
    - Removed a misleading sign outside of Red's first spawn that lead a lot of players to ignore a quicker route to A and B
    - Shortened the track coming out of the building A is in to allow players to stand on either side of the cart as it moves through the doorway
    - Removed a set of one-way windows from the bridge on A because once again, Blu doesn't need the help
    - Flipped the movement direction of the shutter over the A staircase around Checkpoint A that opens when it's captured
    - Flipped the textures on some of the flank shutters so "loading zone" can be read the right way
    - Moved the Rock005 (OwO) near Checkpoint B closer to the wall it's up against to prevent players from getting stuck behind it when trying to get on top, as well as to free up space around the cart
    - Gave the hole in the bridge outside of Blu's first spawn a more board-like shape.
    - Made the finale explosion trigger larger
    - Clipped off the retaining walls behind C a little better

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    After a particularly productive imp, I think I finally understand the reasons the map flows the way it does. This time, I made the big layout-altering changes I think I'm finally ready to make.

    Because Red has so much distance between its spawn and the frontline on both A and B, both points end up punishing them too hard for a broken hold. These changes are meant to make it easier to defend A and B.
    - Moved Red's first spawn up to the room behind B, in place of the staircase at the bottom of the cliff on B
    - Added a hallway in place of the staircase, connecting to the trench beneath the train bridge
    - Moved the signs from Red's old spawn to the new one

    Last imp had some more negative feedback on the A dropdown. I liked the dynamic that allows Blu to spam into the choke from an alternate angle, but it turns out, even with a less potent health pack, a more severe height disadvantage, and a more restrictive doorway, the ability to bypass Red's entire defense is just too strong.
    - Removed the dropdown on A
    - Added a staircase connecting the Red battlements on A to the building Checkpoint A is in
    - Added soundscapes to the new staircase
    - Added a new room connecting the underground B flank to the house on A
    - Moved the small health pack from the dropdown to beside the checkpoint. The pack can be held by Blu from the doorway, but Red can still access it like they could when it was in the dropdown
    - Added a small health pack beside the ammo pack in the A house

    The really big issue was the way C played. Upon B's capture, Blu has very direct access to Red's battlements on the other end of the yard, and even with a shortened route to C, Red has a hard time accessing Blu's entrance in the opposite corner. (Imagine holding Swiftwater's D point from the house over the point itself rather than the middle of the yard)
    - Removed the bridge connecting the balcony to the overpass. Blu had too much access to the point from the flank. This forces attackers to give up their height and drop down to the level of the track to achieve the same thing. This also prevents attackers from retreating to the balcony's height when they're being pressured on the overpass
    - Changed the shape of Red's backward spawn to let Red access the corner of the L that makes up the C yard
    - Added a one-way door into C from Red's backward spawn
    - Added an OnPass output to the cart track, (marked with a switch) that disables Red's forward spawn and forces them the normal way to defend C
    - Added a short elbow that gives Red access to the building over the track once their forward spawn is disabled, while not letting it serve the same purpose as the route from the balcony to the overpass by forbidding its use early into C's capture
    - Reduced Red's respawn wave time when B is captured, and set it to increase again once C is captured

    Miscellaneous changes
    - Removed a dead end formerly leading to a flank that no longer exists
    - Added warning lights to the flank up to the roof on B and slowed down the doors, to show that they're opening.
    - Added some minor clipping to the retaining walls on the short cliff on C to make it a little less distracting to have to jump or get stuck on the 32hu lip
    - Removed some concrete textures left over from my day-long attempt to detail the map, under the mistaken impression it actually played well
    - Fixed some geometry in the train gate left of where Red's first spawn used to be that interfered with the AreaPortal in the gate
    - Added a warning light where Red's spawn used to be
    - Moved up the misplaced path_track that triggers the warning bells on Last
    - Added a new train that takes the place of the Blue boxcar train once Red's forward spawn is disabled, to give the train a greater impact on how C plays
    - Fixed an bug from the restructuring of the train gate triggers in A12 that made the gate in front of Red's first spawn that prevented it from opening early, letting players through in front of the train
    - Cleaned up some messy geometry above the doorway out of Checkpoint A
    - Fixed rollback zones not appearing on the HUD
    - Replaced some of the rock wall textures

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    Back to Basics is finally coming to a close, and Coyote is finally starting to come together. I don't know what I would've done without the deadline extension. It feels like each version has had one area that plays significantly worse than the rest of them, A13 being no exception.

    This version's issues arose mostly in the transition between B and C, where the map is separated into a lobby and a tunnel. That separation means one team has a hard time holding both at the same time. Blu, who needs a presence in both to get the cart through the choke, can't do that. For the same reason though, Red never pushed through either. My goal was to preserve the need to hold both sides, but make it easier for Blu to rotate between them than Red.
    - Changed the small pack under the train bridge in the lobby to a medium health pack, both for Red defending B and Blu attacking C
    - Removed the lower route into the area beneath Red's first spawn
    - Added a route in place of the removed route into the lobby that, similarly to the one it replaced, took Blu from the platform beneath the cliff to the main level of the lobby. This time, however, integrating the Red spawn
    - Moved Checkpoint B out from beneath the bridge to just behind it, so the focus of the B fight can be on controlling the roof.
    - Added a route connecting the lower end of the tunnel to the door to the lobby, to allow attackers to rotate better between the two areas
    - Removed one of the doors from the exit to the lobby and the tunnel, combining them into one door.
    - Added a fence to the tunnel to prevent defenders at the door out of the lobby from passively holding against players on the cart
    - Added a shelf to the tunnel to accommodate the fence
    - Increased Red's respawn wave time from 3s to 5s while defending C
    - Moved the checkpoint C back to the middle of the overpass

    A separate but related issue is that a sniper standing near Checkpoint C has free reign over most of the outdoor areas on C. Without the balcony being connected to the overpass, those who seek to kill a sniper standing there are funneled from low ground or where Red is holding up to a very exposed platform, or straight through the sniper's line of sight.
    - Added fences outside the door the cart goes through to leave the lobby
    - Added a shutter door at the height of the top of the train to block the sight line through the building, but allow players to ride boxcars through the door, like previous versions

    Second to that, the roof behind B, when successfully held, offers an interesting dynamic where Red holds from it and the lobby they spawn in. This was, however, was too difficult because the bridge provided too much cover to players on the cart and the lack of ammo forced players to give up their height advantage to seek more.
    - Extended the roof on the far side of the point to give defenders more room to work with
    - Changed the small health pack on the roof to a medium one
    - Added a prop jump to the roof on Red's side of the bridge
    - Extended the roof behind the bridge
    - Added a small health pack to the cliff on B

    The final big issue lies with Last and the latter half of the C yard. While Blu's battlements aren't ineffective, they're cramped and funnel all of the team onto the one balcony. The nature of the lower door means it's easy for Blu to pressure the cart without committing, so they're allowed to play far too passively.
    - Added a hallway above the main route into Last connecting the two flanks to let Red roll out to the platform on C and for Blu to rotate between the two flanks better.
    - Extended the platform outside the door into the right flank to connect to the new hallway
    - Extended the lower portion through the entire flank
    - Added a floor over the power portion, to remove Blu's height advantage over the door
    - Added two staircases, giving the player the choice between a long route through a tunnel and a steep height advantage and a short, open staircase that puts them in a less advantageous position.
    - Added a sheet of metal to block one of Blu's angles on Red's battlements

    Miscellaneous changes
    - Changed the time added when A and C are captured from 4 minutes to 3, in-line with Upward. B is staying at 4:00 for the time being
    - Added telephone poles to the skybox
    - Fixed the No-entry sign behind the train gate out of D, previously, it closed on a timer
    - Fixed the misplaced path_tracks that caused the warning bells to trigger too late to warn players of oncoming trains
    - Added clipping to the frame of the right door to Blu's third spawn
    - Fixed the trigger on Red's forward spawn on C opening for both teams
    - Added previously missing soundscapes to Red's forward spawn exit on C
    - Added missing patches under some of the pickups that disappeared in the process of making changes to the underlying geometry
    - Added a trigger for the door to Red's catwalk on Last and the forward spawn door to open once the train is destroyed, so Blu humiliation doesn't just consist of standing around behind the brand new wall in the way of Red's spawn.
    - Added a fence to the flank around Checkpoint A to give attackers going to the cliff more cover from the lower door, and force them to go down there to pressure the choke
    - Added miscellaneous clipping to door frames too close to perpendicular walls
    - Moved the shutter over the far route into the building over the track to remove the "cubby" that gave too much cover to engineers and snipers
    - Fixed the alignment of the tracks at the beginning of A
    - Fixed the alignment of Checkpoint C with the rest of the track
    - Fixed a misaligned floor texture on Last
    - Disabled clipping on the sign outside the door into Checkpoint A
    - Added a spotlight to the sign beneath Checkpoint C
    - Added another sign beneath Checkpoint C, for players approaching the opposite direction
    - Moved some props/displacements to hide culled faces
    - Fixed an issue with the size of the trains' damage triggers that sometimes killed players standing on Red's catwalk on Last
    - Added warning lights to the right flank, which had none previously
    - Added a BlockBullets under the platform under the lower door to the flank around Checkpoint A to prevent it from eating splash
    - Extended the size of the func_tracktrain entities in the trains to prevent the gates from clipping with them as they pass
    - Filled in an abusable blind spot coming out of Blu's first spawn
    - Fixed a bug with the way the warning lights are initialized that caused one to stay on until the first train arrived
    - Added spectator cams to Blu's first spawn, and another view of Blu's side of C

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  13. Avulsion

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    The main concern in the last test was the last control point needing to be held to by Blu long enough for the train to arrive. The proposed solution was to remove the train gimmick (MY PRIDE AND JOY) all together. The thinking being, Blu shouldn't have to hold the cart in one spot to capture the last point. This is the case, however, on acclaimed Payload maps like Upward and Millstone. Both of which slow the cart in the lead-up to the finale.

    What both of these maps also have though, is enough cover and health for Blu around Last to hold down the cart with, and have a shorter track leading to the terminus. Coyote already has the latter, the real issue is that Blu is too easily pushed back from the train.
    - Extended the wall on Blu's side of the track to recreate the cubby from previous versions of the map
    - Added a platform to the left of the cart, taking a page out of the Barnblitz playbook, to give Blu some height to hold the cart on the track with, with ability for Red to counterpush with their higher platform.

    Some of the concerns raised regarding the previous issue may been as bleed-over from this one. There was one instance Blu got the cart in front of the oncoming train, let it roll back, and pushed it back after the train passed, but were prevented from capturing by the 20-second debounce on the finale train's relay. The train creates a frustrating dynamic where Blu has to be able to win on their first try, because it also blocks them from Red's batts after failing a push.
    - Decreased the debounce from 20s to 10s. The train disappears in the map now, but does so on A or B, so it's unlikely you'll see it if you aren't looking.
    - Increased the refire interval of the train timer when Blu has failed to capture the terminus once from 60s to 180s
    - Increased the refire interval of the train timer when the cart is past the corner to 120s
    - Moved the barrier with the cart sign on it closer to the track, so Blu can use it as cover

    The final problem with the final point is that half the flank doesn't offer Blu anything when pushing into last. It's so ineffective, in fact, that they'd rather all stand in the same tiny room behind the catwalk over the wide open room on the other side of the choke. The solution? More height on the other side that offers a greater ability to retreat in place of the useless shelf.
    - Extended the shelf to the entire corner
    - Added a larger crouch jump. This lets Blu retreat, at the cost of exposing themselves while performing the double crouch jump
    - Added more cover to the door to the shelf, which also blocks sightlines

    Despite changes to the roof on B, Red is still having a hard time rolling out to set up a defense when their best route to it is blocked by a train every 45 seconds. This also leads to issues for Blu pushing into C from their second spawn.
    - Reduced the frequency of trains once A is captured from 45s to 90s
    - Removed the door frame from the door to the bridge from the room Red spawns in, widened it from 192 to 256 so players can pass the train on both sides
    - Widened the bridge, so Red has an option to cross the bridge even if a train is crossing with them
    - Removed the fence from the doorway to the bridge

    More of the usual bug fixes, quality of life and clarity changes, and optimizations.
    - Filled in a hole in the ceiling near Last
    - Added a sign pointing Blu toward an underused staircase giving them access to the height in the room behind B
    - Added a staircase prop to the lower door to the room behind B Blu uses to push C
    - Added an arrow sign to the B roof, to direct players coming out of spawn at the beginning of the round
    - Fixed an arrow overlay with no faces assigned on the shack at the lead-up to Checkpoint B
    - Added areaportals to the two doors coming out of the area between B and C, so the entirety of C isn't drawn because that door is in view
    - Tied several areaportals to their corresponding shutters, as was not previously the case. Apparently they go inside doors? Only took me this long to figure that out.
    - Added some crates and barrels to fill in a gap between the end of a catwalk and a piece of corrugated metal on Last.
    - Removed another useless crate jump from A
    - Filled in a hole between the displacement ground and the rock on the left side of Blu's first spawn
    - Added miscellaneous navigation signs
    - Added some gameplay-essential cacti

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  14. Avulsion

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    Chances are, A17 will be the last version of the map before judging begins! I'm really happy with how Coyote is turning out. Didn't get a ton of feedback from the last imp, but what I did get highlighted some pressing issues with the current incarnation that shouldn't be too tough to hammer out. Last didn't get tested, but time remains!

    Checkpoint A has seen almost no changes since the removal of the dropdown. To date, there have been two times Red has held it over the twelve games played on Coyote since its removal in A13. One way B ends up not being defended is when Red is wiped in the A choke, and Blu moves up quicker than Red can take advantage of their battlements.
    - Moved up the checkpoint to the other side of the door, to hopefully keep Red out of the meat grinder long enough to set up a defense on the next point

    The changes to the transition between B and C made in A14 didn't have the desired effect of making it easier for Blu to hold both the lobby and the room the cart passes through. The greater connectivity had the unintended effect of letting Red hold the upper part of the lobby and the area outside the door. Thus, it's difficult for Blu to do anything about it.
    - Restored the wall between the two sides of the lobby
    - Moved the door outside to the side of the wall connected to the lobby
    - Added a healthkit to the shelf beside the cart track
    - Moved back Red's forward spawn for C to the other side of the hoodoo, to increase travel time and move them away from the height advantage

    Miscellaneous changes
    - Fixed a brush that clipped through the roof of the building transitioning from B to C
    - Disabled collisions on the skybox props
    - Fixed an issue with the big sign outside of Red's first spawn that lead it to close upward and clip through into the sky.
    - Fixed some unassigned brush faces on the rollback zone decals before Checkpoint B
    - Added lights to various places the taller buildings cast excessive shadows into the gameplay space
    - Removed two shutters from parts of C that served to prevent players from accessing areas of the map no longer accessible because of changes to Red's first spawn
    - Increased Red's respawn wave time once B is captured from 7 to 10
    - Clipped more corners, now you can smoothly slam your face into the walls as you walk!
    - Fixed a bug on the final point, where players could become stuck between the cart and the barrier at the end of the track

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  15. Avulsion

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    Hotfix because I'm an idiot
    - Removed a prop it was easy to get trapped on in Red's second spawn
    - Removed a misleading overlay from a sign
    - Added a missing track prop from the cart path

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  16. Avulsion

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    There have been murmurings from a few players since about A13 about how the building connecting B to C is a maze. I don't think it's because they've gotten lost, I think the issue stems from the travel time between the flank the train goes through and the cart path. This, combined with how relatively easy it is for Red to push through the doors, means that most of the fighting between checkpoints B and C takes place in the least interesting part of it.

    Though it may seem to those who've taken issue with it that I'm too convinced of my brilliance as a mapper to change what I deem a perfect area, I genuinely have no idea how to fix it. We'll figure it out later, I've reverted it to more or less its pre-A13 state. While rotation is more difficult, the tunnel is basically free for Blu.
    - Removed the connector between the lower door to the B lobby and the cart path
    - Removed the shelf in the cart path
    - Added a door to the building blocking sights into the B lobby from C
    - Added a large arrow sign to the lobby as a subtle hint to Blu which way they should be pushing from

    Further contribution to the choke at C is the time it takes Red to roll out combined with the positioning they're given thanks to the proximity of their door to the height of the hoodoo and the surrounding platforms. It also makes for a jarring transition for respawning Red players when the cart reaches a poorly-marked position on the track.
    - Removed the door out of Red's second spawn to the lowground of C
    - Removed the shutter opposite the shutter to the catwalk Blu uses
    - Added a new one-way door to the room behind the catwalk connecting to Red's batts that locks with C
    - Blocked a sightline through the tunnel on C

    Despite improvements to Checkpoint B, Blu has a difficult time getting a foothold on B. They don't have much trouble once they do, but the problem stands. Thus, I made the existing routes more viable.
    - Moved the Red spawn to the other side of the room, away from Blu's stairs into the room.
    - Added a crate and a fence to the stairwell, to protect Blu players as they come up the stairs.

    Changes to D have turned it from indefensible by Red to unpushable by Blu. The most viable route, the catwalk, is too isolated from the rest of the flank to allow a team to use them together, nor effectively retreat to. Red's batts are also simply a little too powerful.
    - Added stairs to the platform on the left to let Blu fall back upon a failed push
    - Made the middle catwalk smaller and blocked its sightline to the main entrance
    - Removed part of the corrugated metal blocking the sightline between Red and Blu's catwalks
    - Removed hallway connecting the two parts of the lobby
    - Added a door to the catwalk from the larger flank
    - Clipped off the back of the crates on the end of the catwalk, to prevent scouts from climbing them
    - Increased the train's speed from 600 to 750 to shorten the amount of time Blu has to hold it on Last
    - Removed part of the rollback zone on the train track
    - Removed a portion of the wall from the door between the hallway over Main
    - Added a new crate to block the sightline between the outside of the platform and the aforementioned door

    Miscellaneous changes
    - Fixed an area of the grate around the dropdown to the train for which the BlockBullets was not covering the entire thing.
    - Fixed the unassigned brush faces on the overlays pointing players out of D
    - Visleaf cleanup
    - Removed the staircase connecting the C cliff to the building over the track (again)
    - Rearranged a lot of signs
    - Extended the trigger for the gate in the B lobby to open for trains going toward the Red base

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  17. tyler

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    No. My problem with it is that there are so many levels, and so many doors, that it is hard to understand what connects where and how fast I am going to get there. It's not really about travel time so much as that several of the routes seem redundant or confusing, since several of them are doing double or triple duty. I did not play the older versions, so it's not that I have some complaints about a "new" version of this area. Reverting to an older state is not necessarily good.

    The main problem with this building is that players on both teams are easily separated in it. Blue is not encouraged to go down specific routes and group up, and red is easily able to use the myriad paths to get behind blue or flank them (sometimes from above, a problem in several areas due to the questionable placement of dropdowns). It's soupy and has no flow. The C area itself, on the bridges/rocky area, is really cool. That's an area with no flow that could work. The B to C building does not.

    Generally, it seems like red is not really spawning or defending from the most ideal place on this map, which contributes to a lot of the issues with rolling (or being stonewalled too easily) and flanking blue from behind. I raised this issue a few weeks ago when I asked why spawns are changing for C's defense when the cart hits a random path_track. It's not great that events are silently occurring that change how teams can respond to an area--generally you want to limit what doors open/close or what spawns move to when points are captured, but you do both of those away from capture points, which to me points toward layout flaws. Hopefully, your adjustment to the spawns for B will address that, but I really think it impedes red's ability to continue a strong defense of C once blue passes through the area where spawns change. I'm not sure I've seen red hold after that.
     
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  18. Star Bright

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    Just wanted to drop in to say this has been one of my favorite custom maps to play on with bots in a while and I hope you're still working on this one! Been having a blast.