CP Artpass GoobaTheViking

[Gooba]

I redid some of the area around blue spawn/A to B.

Not sure about the sawmill windows here.

Sorry I keep jumping around the map, but it helps me keep interest and momentum. Let me know what you guys think about the new stuff

 

[Whark]

Not sure about the sawmill windows here.

I think that the light color of them combined with how perfectly square they are and their placement on wall with the supports below, it seems to create a cloud-reading situation where all I see is a Jack-o-Lantern-like face. Could just be the angle of the shot making it that way though.

Seems awfully BROWN. It could just be me as I just got done staring at my own colorful palette for a while and need to disengage. My eye is drawn far into the background because there are some color and value changes.

Sorry I keep jumping around the map, but it helps me keep interest and momentum.

I prefer to work this way. Forcing myself to noodle on one thing has been driving me insane lately

 

[Huckle]

I can agree a bit with the colors on the actual playing area being a bit too brown. Since they're also mostly darker and more enclosed, the eye is drawn towards the skybox instead of the area you're supposed to focus on. I think the 3D skybox itself looks awesome but if you try looking at the first or last screenshot the eye just goes staring off towards the horizon every single time. It might be better if you take the screenshots from ground level where the players are but I think it's worth thinking about.

I noticed this on my own map on the way to A but I'm not sure how to work around it, the eye is just naturally drawn to high-contrast areas and with the massive geometry in the map from the start I don't think there is much to do unless you keep the entire map enclosed.

 

[Gooba]

It seems like its been forever since I last posted anything.

I see what you guys are saying about the brown, and I think I fixed it. I guess you guys can be the judge of that.

Changed the neutral building a little, still needs some tweaking methinks.

Heres what I've got so far on my custom skybox idea. It'll be mostly sunny with storm clouds rolling in over the mountains. I'll darken the 3d skybox with lightblock textures where the cloud cover and stuff. Does anyone know how to put rain in the 3d skybox?

Changed the building on the right considerably, still needs tweaking as well.

New stuff!!

Old stuff... I changed a few things here and there. Just updating the pictures

Let me know what you think!

 

[Gerbil]

The detailing looks great! No real complaints here.

The skybox is not that great IMO. The cloud sticks out too badly and the transitions between the colors on it are too sharp.

 

[Gooba]

Noted.

I've been thinking the same thing with the clouds. I've gone through several iterations but can't get it right. Its still just kind of "eh'. There are still a couple of things I want to try with it, but I might just scrap it.

 

[Draco18s]

Does anyone know how to put rain in the 3d skybox?

Are there any existing maps that have rain in the skybox?

You'll probably have to create your own particle system for it.

 

[IrishTaxIDriver]

Juggle in some more wood textures! You've got great, varied stuff, then:

You've got a whole lot of brown wood in one area and its blending together. Use that red coalmine wood texture for something in there.

You could definitely benefit from getting richer color into the play area too.

EDIT: Also I just noticed a few slight lighting errors with those wooden shed doors in this and another screenshot.

EDIT #2: As for the rain in the skybox, don't bother with a particle effect, make a transparent rain texture and func_conveyor it. I'm 90% positive this would be less expensive.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Every time I see this thread bumped, I cringe, knowing I will lose even harder than I will have before.

 

[IrishTaxIDriver]

Every time I see this thread bumped, I cringe, knowing I will lose even harder than I will have before.

You'll never win with that attitude :glare: Have some confidence in your work!

 

[Gooba]

Draco, I've tried the sawmill rain particle but it does not show up, neither does func_precipitation. :\

Irish, about the wood textures. I've already changed that area in the recent batch of screens with this. You can see it on the left side. Now that I look at it again, I'll probably remove a few props and change a few things, as its very noisy.

Sorry about the lighting errors, I've been focusing on the broader detail rather than the fine ones recently. I'll work it out soon though.

I really like the conveyor idea, although the more I think about it, the more I find myself just wanting to get rid of the rain idea. But we'll see!

Grim, you aren't giving up are you?

 

[IrishTaxIDriver]

Draco, I've tried the sawmill rain particle but it does not show up, neither does func_precipitation. :\

Irish, about the wood textures. I've already changed that area in the recent batch of screens with this. You can see it on the left side. Now that I look at it again, I'll probably remove a few props and change a few things, as its very noisy.

Sorry about the lighting errors, I've been focusing on the broader detail rather than the fine ones recently. I'll work it out soon though.

I really like the conveyor idea, although the more I think about it, the more I find myself just wanting to get rid of the rain idea. But we'll see!

I use func_precipitation in my map, and unfortunately the biggest problem with them is that you can't flag them as weather, Honeymustard was telling me about a version of the sawmill rain that someone made that collides with geometry but I couldn't find it.

I like what you've got so far, I wouldn't say its noisy at all. I'd say you could even take it a step further and include some angled geometry on the buildings up there. The only reason I pointed out the lighting error is because I find if I fix them ASAP I won't forget them when it comes to the final stretch.

I say keep the rain. I like your idea of the storm rolling in and I think it'd be a nice and unique bullet point for the map, like the atmosphere in Thunder Mountain or the plateau + skybox of Upward. Its just a cool little thing that heightens the feel of the map.

Also, consider this picture I just spent 5 seconds googling: http://www.boston.com/community/photos/raw/Storm_rolling_in.jpg Your storm front should have some forward clouds up front, as it is now I'd say its a little too unbelievable.

At the very least, try it out and give us a screenshot.

 

[Draco18s]

I use func_precipitation in my map, and unfortunately the biggest problem with them is that you can't flag them as weather, Honeymustard was telling me about a version of the sawmill rain that someone made that collides with geometry but I couldn't find it.

I tried a func_precipitation, but it didn't appear to work. I'll mess around with it more this evening.

As for rain colliding with brush geometry, didn't they only JUST introduce that in L4D2? func_precipitation_blocker.

I don't think particle systems actually collide and I doubt you could get them to.

Edit:
I did find this:
http://forums.tf2maps.net/archive/index.php/t-8107.html

 

[Tautal]

I use func_precipitation in my map, and unfortunately the biggest problem with them is that you can't flag them as weather, Honeymustard was telling me about a version of the sawmill rain that someone made that collides with geometry but I couldn't find it.

this someone is Aaron 'Psy' Garcha
http://forums.tf2maps.net/showthread.php?t=8107&highlight=weather+collision
the same as Draco find btw

 

[Draco18s]

this someone is Aaron 'Psy' Garcha
http://forums.tf2maps.net/showthread.php?t=8107&highlight=weather+collision
the same as Draco find btw

Yeah. Google sent me to the print format one, I just grabbed the URL rather than going to the real thread. Whoops.

 

[Swordz]

the space thing looks like mass effect 2, really cool

 

[IrishTaxIDriver]

I tried a func_precipitation, but it didn't appear to work. I'll mess around with it more this evening.

As for rain colliding with brush geometry, didn't they only JUST introduce that in L4D2? func_precipitation_blocker.

I don't think particle systems actually collide and I doubt you could get them to.

Edit:
I did find this:
http://forums.tf2maps.net/archive/index.php/t-8107.html

Yes I believe this is what Honeymustard mentioned!

func_precipitation does get blocked by geometry right off, not sure if that applies to displacements though. I think func_precipitation_blocker is meant for being placed over models, but that might collide too.

The settings for my func_precipitation are:

Density: 100%
Color: 192 192 192
Precipitation Type: Rain

 

[Goombac]

Maybe add some metals and/or concrete to the areas with too much wood, unless you have fixed all of that.

I like the skybox, but I think the clouds should cover more of the skybox and yeah the transition should be smoother. Maybe some other white clouds around the rest of the skybox so it doesn't stick out so much.

 

[Draco18s]

func_precipitation does get blocked by geometry right off, not sure if that applies to displacements though. I think func_precipitation_blocker is meant for being placed over models, but that might collide too.

The wiki page only says that it "prevents rain and snow inside the volume."

The settings for my func_precipitation are:

Density: 100%
Color: 192 192 192
Precipitation Type: Rain

I kinda threw one into my map around 1am and compiled, saw it stall out on vvis (or at least, taking FAR longer than it should have) and wanting to get to bed I end tasked vvis.exe

 

[Draco18s]

Yes I believe this is what Honeymustard mentioned!

func_precipitation does get blocked by geometry right off, not sure if that applies to displacements though.

Turns out the Swamp Pack already had a rain with collisions in it. And newer, too!