CP_Dryer

Discussion in 'WIP (Work in Progress)' started by Earl, Jan 29, 2008.

  1. Earl

    Earl L6: Sharp Member

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    UPDATE: 5/11/08

    Beta2 Release!

    http://forums.tf2maps.net/downloads.php?do=file&id=368



    UPDATE: 2/25/08

    Beta 1 release!!, download it here:
    http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/47486

    The culmination of 2 months effort!

    Here's a bunch of screenshots:

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    Original Post:

    CP_Dryer

    I'm trying to blend elements from Granary, Well, 2Fort, as well as elements from the farm I grew up on into this map. It's almost ready for release as a b1, just need to fix a couple weird things and add a bit more detail.

    Old Screenshots:
    http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7360/cpdryerb10002kg5.jpg
    http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5927/cpdryerb10003xq2.jpg
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    http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3859/cpdryerb10000ft6.jpg
    http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/7120/cpdryerb10008dl6.jpg
    http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7193/cpdryerb10013dq3.jpg

    Comments, criticisms?
     
    Last edited: May 11, 2008
  2. DJive

    aa DJive Cake or Death?

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    The map looks good. a few things to critique on though..

    The map looks far to open and large. Engs, heavys, pyros are going to have one heck of a time. Possibly add more props, buildings to allow better class balance

    Possibly make your ground a displacement to add some "depth" to it, cut down its repetitiveness.

    In general the brush work is nice, scale looks spot on as well, but i get a big empty lonely feeling when looking at those screenshots *2 and 3*
     
  3. Earl

    Earl L6: Sharp Member

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    Thanks for the advice.

    I realized in advance that it was way too open and desolate. (Luckily its still a WIP). Im in the process of adding more props/brushwork/decals in order to make it more closed and homey.

    My ground already is made up of many displacement patches, its just a matter of me figuring out how to add depth in the right way. Im probably going to add some canals on the sides or something. I'm thinking of having some of the buildings by the 1st red CP (screenshot 3) be raised a bit.
     
  4. Earl

    Earl L6: Sharp Member

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    Bumped to reflect update, see OP.
     
  5. Earl

    Earl L6: Sharp Member

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    This map is soon to be added to RenedageHeroes TF2:

    8.6.15.83:27015

    Playtesting later tonight.
     
  6. Earl

    Earl L6: Sharp Member

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    After playtesting with about 16-20 people here's what I've concluded:

    1. Map is too large. Everyone wants to be scout to get from point A to point B. I'm thinking of scaling down distances between buildings and some buildings themselves.

    2. BLU has the advantage. They can get to the center faster, and hold it. I was also disappointed because the blu side has the more interesting architecture, and all the battles were happening on the red side.

    3. The capture times might need to be tweaked a little, maybe shorter in the mid, and longer at the 2nd's

    4. Too much health, scouts have a major advantage because they can just zip to the nearest healthpack.
     
  7. MangyCarface

    aa MangyCarface Mapper

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    Don't forget to scale up the textures in your 3d skybox. Right now it's very obvious that they tile too much.
     
  8. Earl

    Earl L6: Sharp Member

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    After a couple months of being too busy to work on it, I'm very near a _b2 release. Here's some screenshots. Some changes:

    - Compressed the layout a bit - playable area is now ~10,000 by ~2500, down from ~12,000 by ~3000
    - Redesigned the red cap1 area
    - Added overhead catwalks to the red side, similar to blu side, removed underground tunnel
    - Redesigned the middle cap area
    - Changed positions of forward spawns.
    - Clipped off some roofs, allowed easy access to others


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  9. Vander

    Vander L8: Fancy Shmancy Member

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    Very nice work! I'll be downloading this as soon as you release your next beta!
     
  10. Earl

    Earl L6: Sharp Member

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    Bumped for beta2 release!
     
  11. TotalMark

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    I was going to add my 2 cents, but it looks like you've already fixed much of the expanse problem.

    Try tossing a few of those train containers into the map, it worked for me.
     
  12. Fingersniffer

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    Your buildings look good, though the ground outside still looks too.....perfect. Could maybe do with some displacement, as Youme said. :)
     
  13. Earl

    Earl L6: Sharp Member

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    Well after playing it with ~10-12 people it seems the size issues have been solved. Scouts no longer dominate, and all classes seem to be good to play. It was even playable 3v3 as people were downloading it.

    I did try to put some displacement to the ground, but its hard without making it look weird. All of my ground is already displacement. One of the issues is that the real life location parts of this map are based on is completely flat for miles in each direction.
     
  14. Bonafide

    Bonafide L6: Sharp Member

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    I just played this map and here is my 2cents before bed.

    The forward spawns dont seem to work. There are no setup gates, so faster classes can easily get to the CP first instead of everyone being ready, like in valves Well.
    Those were the bad points.

    Speaking of Well, this map feels like Granary and Wells love child if you dont mind me saying :)

    The good points being it ran smooth, looked great, and it was fun to play although it was only 4v4 (played it pretty late).
     
  15. Sgt Frag

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    I played a bit yesterday but it was 2 on 2 or 2 on 3. Hard to get a good feel for a map like that play-wise.

    I thought it looked pretty good, no complaints on visuals really.

    I'd have to give the ground a good look as it didn't stand out to me but displacements always help. I've played that map Redstone a bit lately and the dirt is COMPLETELY flat. That's something that really stands out to me.
    Even in an area where the terrain is 'completely flat' the dirt never is. There are always bumps and dips...
    Probably what your map needs is just simple minor displacements. Make you brush size large and the power really small. then go around and 'paint in circles' really fast. That's make smooth bumps/dips randomly. I think it looks really good when the ground along buildings is wavey, it breaks up the straight lines and really contrasts the hard edges of the buildings.