CP wharf A2

[owly-oop]

MAH 5CP MAP

here it is. SHAZAM

set at a harbor with some construction site poopoo goin on

 

[Randdalf]

It was alright to play, but I think there are some key problems:
- It's too complex and hard to navigate. I know this sounds weird, seeing as I could navigate round the map fine, but thinking about it now, I had no idea where I was headed, just that I was heading in a general direction.
- There are too many routes. I think one of the reasons why we hardly capped the last point at all (I can't even remember what the last point looked like), is that when teams "attacked" the points they were coming from so many directions it was hard to actually co-ordinate an attack. When players stuck together we generally captured the point.

Overall I think you should just simplify things massively - have 1 or 2 main routes, that are obvious and clear. It just didn't feel intuitive at all. Middle was fun though - I'd like to see what it'd be like to have the mid point elevated.

 

[Freyja]

Less new maps more old ones.

 

[Hellfire]

^ what Aly said

 

[Snacks]

But seriously, I'm liking the layout.

 

[Fraz]

I had a quick run through, and got very confused, everything did lead to the point though, I didn't see much room for coordination though since it was guess and hope you get to where you want to.

This shows 5 or so exits/entrances I see loads of doors and tried to navigate my way around.

Just neaten things up, maybe add some signs? I dunno. It's a very good start though.

 

[owly-oop]

a2 released

changed number of paths to 2nd from 6 to 4. they're kinda in pairs so it's really 2 main paths.
(used to be 1 pair and 4 other paths, now it's 2 pairs)
added a small ammo/med pack near 2nd
moved back last cp a bit
added another resup inside last's spawnroom for hoppin peeps
fixed playerclipping in some areas
lowered mid's captime

http://forums.tf2maps.net/downloads.php?do=file&id=3673

 

[H-land]

The metal pillars in the middle are too beefy, and the pipe at the second point is too hard to get onto. Overall layout seems to work though.

 

[lana]

Great push/pull in the map. Direction felt natural for me. One little critique: the skybox at the middle is very low. While trying to rocket jump over a heavy on the point, I ended up landing right behind him, not where I wanted to be, because my altitude was cut short. Also I got a hat.

 

[Void]

I like it.

I'll wharf you if it doesn't make it to beta.

 

[Geal]

I had a lot of fun with it. The final point seemed a bit hard to defend, but maybe we just were bad. I felt the capture area for the last point was a bit small for how quickly it capped, having it be bigger might make it a bit easier to defend (so players can stop the cap faster). That sentry spot on second was a bit strong, but got taken down fairly quickly so I dunno. Maybe cut that medium ammo pack down to small; by the time I ran over and picked it up and whacked at my sentry, it was back again, making upgrading that sentry and dispenser very quick and easy.

Paths were complicated, but I never found myself getting lost - all the paths naturally led players to where they needed to go. I found myself just running in the general direction of a point and found myself there. Could probably go for a bit of simplifying, though. Looking forward to later versions!

Oh and there was that one staircase outside of first red spawn that was hard to see compared to the background, I pointed it out to you in-game.

 

[Rikka]

A lot of ramps. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but when I thought back to the test today for something to say only I could think about was how much time I spent fighting around ramps.

 

[Dark]

6v6 testing most likely needs to be done, but during the test today it felt like alot of the captures we where getting were back caps and then rushes until the other team back caped.
If this problem persists you might consider making the paths from cap to cap cross more and create more direct combat between points