thats why i dont have 2fort in my rotation, its not that its a bad map in any shape or form, it just dosent work on a public server 90% of the time, the few people that are trying to actually play ctf just get bogged down in a deathmatch stalemate, with maps like dustbowl and gravel pit even if you play like its team deathmatch you will pretty much be contributing to advancing to the point.
A good game of ctf can be totally awesome in tf2, unfortanely the times you get that game on a public is much lower than a decent dustbowl game.
Unfortunately i think tf2 has been dumbed down a little too much, a good scout in tfc could do amazing flag runs using concs and the learning cuve from being an average fps player to an amazing scout was high. I'm not asking for grenades back
but i would love for their to be more nuances of the game to learn and improve on.