Evidence of Valve using LODs again!

[chickenm4n]

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1085379/cp_degrootkeep0001.jpg

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1085379/cp_degrootkeep0002.jpg

That's me in the chat, spamming voice commands!

I remember playing with an Egoangel before.

:O


...

and then I got KGB'd :O

 

[Rozzy]

The triangle count for the medieval locker is wrong. It's actually around 15500 and not 31000+. Model viewer doubles the count on models that use phong shading. The locker it self is only 2500-3000 with the weapons/hats lazily dumped inside making up the majority.

 

[lana]

That was cleared up before, but the poly count is still insane.

 

[Rexy]

The triangle count for the medieval locker is wrong. It's actually around 15500 and not 31000+. Model viewer doubles the count on models that use phong shading. The locker it self is only 2500-3000 with the weapons/hats lazily dumped inside making up the majority.

Hey, that's nice to know!

Does that mean these items are just displaying a doubled poly count in the HLMV, or does the engine render this many polygons as well?

Uh, scratch that, I found it. http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Model_Viewer

 

[HellJumper]

Hey, that's nice to know!

Does that mean these items are just displaying a doubled poly count in the HLMV, or does the engine render this many polygons as well?

Uh, scratch that, I found it. http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Model_Viewer

If I'm not mistaken, this bug only happens when you have the "cloaking" parameter in the .vmt.

 

[Rexy]

Nope, scroll to the bottom of that article.

When viewing models using materials that use the phong shader the triangle count will double what it actually is due to a calculation bug. This is most common with TF2 models due to the heavy use of phong shading.

I just wish information like this was more commonly known. Or that they'd fix dumb bugs like this instead of letting them go.

EDIT: You guys were right!

 

[Ravidge]

It's not phong.
It's definitely "$cloakPassEnabled" "1" that is the culprit (I have tested it, twice)

EDIT: here http://forums.tf2maps.net/showpost.php?p=208389&postcount=20

 

[Rexy]

Yes, yes that makes sense now, even when the medieval resupply cabinet doesn't have "$cloakPassEnabled" "1" in its vmt, it's still passing off by using the vmts of the other weapons, which would have "$cloakPassEnabled" "1". That's very clear now. Thanks, Ravidge, time to fix that false info in the wiki article. Checking some other phong models, I can verify this info too.

 

[Rozzy]

My mistake, I thought it was phong that was responsible so thanks for clearing that up.