Advection
- Thread starter Seba
- Start date
Frankly Advection never made sense to me either. It sounds more sciencey though.
I chose Advection because I thought it meant 'the movement of water across the environment' or whatever, but it's actually the movement of heat across a fluid, like water. I had the whole thing imagined around the former definition, but I don't think it'd be too hard to change it around to the proper one.
1. Meteorology. the horizontal transport of atmospheric properties ( distinguished from convection).
2. the horizontal flow of air, water, etc.
you could do almost anything with this
Let me add to this what I told Seba on Steam to see what other people think. I'm just gonna copy and paste some lines here
1:15 PM - yyler <3: i think C is an improvement and in general you've got something good on your hands
1:16 PM - yyler <3: but the main issue with C that I see right now is that Red has nowhere to go besides to the start of blu's flanks
1:16 PM - yyler <3: beyond an engineer and a demoman or something, red has no motivation to stay at C
1:16 PM - yyler <3: and when they leave, they're funneled to the beginning of blu's flanks
1:18 PM - Seba: So I should get BLU 'stuck' right before C and make it harder to RED to push away from there?
1:18 PM - yyler <3: i dont know
1:18 PM - yyler <3: i mean that isnt really fun or anything
1:19 PM - yyler <3: i think we all know making red stay at home makes everyone unhappy
1:19 PM - yyler <3: blu hates grinding and red hates holding out like that
1:20 PM - yyler <3: but thats the problem as i see it: teams run past each other, red loops behind blu, and blu has to retake the high ground after just taking it
1:20 PM - yyler <3: it might be worth making the distance between B and C longer, so that fighting in the area just after B feels more natural
2. the horizontal flow of air, water, etc.
you could do almost anything with this
Let me add to this what I told Seba on Steam to see what other people think. I'm just gonna copy and paste some lines here
1:15 PM - yyler <3: i think C is an improvement and in general you've got something good on your hands
1:16 PM - yyler <3: but the main issue with C that I see right now is that Red has nowhere to go besides to the start of blu's flanks
1:16 PM - yyler <3: beyond an engineer and a demoman or something, red has no motivation to stay at C
1:16 PM - yyler <3: and when they leave, they're funneled to the beginning of blu's flanks
1:18 PM - Seba: So I should get BLU 'stuck' right before C and make it harder to RED to push away from there?
1:18 PM - yyler <3: i dont know
1:18 PM - yyler <3: i mean that isnt really fun or anything
1:19 PM - yyler <3: i think we all know making red stay at home makes everyone unhappy
1:19 PM - yyler <3: blu hates grinding and red hates holding out like that
1:20 PM - yyler <3: but thats the problem as i see it: teams run past each other, red loops behind blu, and blu has to retake the high ground after just taking it
1:20 PM - yyler <3: it might be worth making the distance between B and C longer, so that fighting in the area just after B feels more natural
Last edited by a moderator:
Doom: the thing is Badvection is silly and I just named some versions that to make it better (all good Valve maps begin with a bad), also it's irrelevant to the map itself.
Yyler: are those definitions from advection?
I'll stick with advection btdubs, guys.
Yyler: are those definitions from advection?
I'll stick with advection btdubs, guys.
Since ric is distracting chat, I'm gonna ask for opinions here.
Following yyler's suggestion, I am tempted to include some entwork by which if BLU caps A in less than two minutes after setup ends, RED gets six seconds of instaspawn to help set up at B; if BLU takes longer, the spawntimes are normal (8s/5s before A, 7s/4s after). Also:
more distance between B and C (accent area after B)
make B a bit harder to cap
I want your opinions on those three things and suggestions for more changes. First three serious replies get a high five.
Following yyler's suggestion, I am tempted to include some entwork by which if BLU caps A in less than two minutes after setup ends, RED gets six seconds of instaspawn to help set up at B; if BLU takes longer, the spawntimes are normal (8s/5s before A, 7s/4s after). Also:
more distance between B and C (accent area after B)
make B a bit harder to cap
I want your opinions on those three things and suggestions for more changes. First three serious replies get a high five.
absurdistof
aa
- Aug 10, 2009
- 1,240
- 399
Honestly, I think your solution is a bit extravagant. It's a cool idea, but at the same time I feel it's a solution to a problem with the map itself, not either teams pacing. So I'd suggest that you change the map to solve the problem.
Some stuff for a13a or maybe a14, dunno
make a easier
make b harder
kill bad corners at C (MAKE C DA BEST THERE EVER WAS!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!)
detail some more?
TBH my only concerns right now are C and the area before it. I need a better way for BLU to get to the far flank and an overall more chances to kill any sentries RED has set up, right now it's a bad meatgrinder (except the only meat coming out is blue meat). I would really appreciate any good feedback on the map, I'd like to start full-on detailing it and release a beta just so it looks cool and so I can be actually be proud of a map.
Oh, and feel free to add to or comment on my list, that would be really nice of you.
make a easier
make b harder
kill bad corners at C (MAKE C DA BEST THERE EVER WAS!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!)
detail some more?
TBH my only concerns right now are C and the area before it. I need a better way for BLU to get to the far flank and an overall more chances to kill any sentries RED has set up, right now it's a bad meatgrinder (except the only meat coming out is blue meat). I would really appreciate any good feedback on the map, I'd like to start full-on detailing it and release a beta just so it looks cool and so I can be actually be proud of a map.
Oh, and feel free to add to or comment on my list, that would be really nice of you.
Zhan
L5: Dapper Member
- Dec 18, 2010
- 208
- 244
I think you just need to increase the number of viable directions BLU can approach the 3rd point from. Instead of:
Maybe try something like:
Having BLU approach from many directions is something I think Copperhead 3-2 does well, and Dustbowl 3-2 does poorly.
Maybe try something like:
Having BLU approach from many directions is something I think Copperhead 3-2 does well, and Dustbowl 3-2 does poorly.
Apparently C blows monkey assholes (holy shit no way seba you're a fucking dumbshit), so I'm redoing it again for like the sevenhundredth time, whoo. Except this time I've no idea what to do. If you want to help me out like a non-dickwad, download the pack of 12 screenshots and go apeshit on them with MSpaint, aka do some paintovers. This doesn't mean that I won't be doing jack shit, I'm trying to come up with a few ideas of my own, but as you can see, I suck fish testicles at final points. Thanks.
progression of difficulty feels off. you usually defend A from behind it, spamming the point and the area around it which is fine. but then when A gets capped you either hold the yard in front of B (basically 2 feet from where you were defending A) or B gets instacapped. I think a longer B cap time would be interesting, but the yard in front of B has got to be less choky.