Class damage amounts, jumping heights and distances

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I had to collect a lot of this info while working on my obstacle course style map and figured why not share it with everyone else. The measurements are mostly maximum damages/heights/distances and are mostly in ranges, I haven't yet narrowed all of them down to the 1 unit mark. The lower number in the range can be cleared, but not the higher number (eg: the demoman can jump up onto a platform that is 64 units high, but not one that is 96). For all ranges marked with minimum, the reverse is true (eg: A player can't walk over a step that's 0 units wide, but can walk over one that's at least 0.1 units wide).

*All jumping heights/distances were measured using crouch jumps due to crouch jumps allowing for further distance/height then regular jumps.

*Damage data gathered using func_breakable's - Min Damage to hurt. Settings for the entities were: Strength > 1.0, Physical Impact damage scale > 0.1


Demoman

Weapon 1, Grenade Launcher: 50~60
Weapon 2, Pipe Bomb (sticky) Launcher: 110~120
Weapon 3, Bottle: 60~70
Jumping Height: Normal 72, 1 sticky 928~960, 2 stickies 3072~3104, 3* stickies 6323?, 4* stickies 7769?
Jumping Distance: Normal 250~256, 1 sticky 2112~2144, 2 stickies 5845?


Engineer

Weapon 1, Shotgun: 60~70
Weapon 2, Pistol: 10~20
Weapon 3, Wrench: 60~70
Jumping Height: Normal 72, Teleporter 84, Dispenser 127, Sentry lvl_1-3 138
Jumping Distance: Normal 256~288, Dispenser 288~320, Sentry lvl_3 315?


HW Guy

Weapon 1, Minigun: 30~40
Weapon 2, Shotgun: 60~70
Weapon 3, Fists: 60~70
Jumping Height: 72
Jumping Distance: 192~224


Medic

Weapon 1, Needle gun: 10~20
Weapon 2, Bone saw: 60~70
Jumping Height: 72
Jumping Distance: 256~288


Pyro

Weapon 1, Flamethrower: N/A
Weapon 2, Shotgun: 60~70
Weapon 3, Ax: 60~70, 60~70
Jumping Height: 72
Jumping Distance: 256~288


Scout

Weapon 1, Scattergun: 60~70
Weapon 2, Pistol: 10~20
Weapon 3, Bat: 30~40, 30~40
Jumping Height: Normal 72, Double-Jump 117
Jumping Distance: Normal 320~352, Double-Jump 608~640


Sniper

Weapon 1, Sniper Rifle: 50~60 (no charge), 150~160 (full charge)
Weapon 2, Submachine gun: 0~10
Weapon 3, Kukri (knife): 60~70, 60~70
Jumping Height: 72
Jumping Distance: 256~288


Soldier

Weapon 1, Rocket Launcher: 90~100
Weapon 2, Shotgun: 60~70
Weapon 3, Shovel: 60~70
Jumping Height: Normal 72, 1 Rocket 544~546?, 2 Rockets 928~992, 3 Rockets 1184~1248, 4 Rockets 1312~1376
Jumping Distance: Normal 224~256, 1 Rocket 992~1024


Spy

Weapon 1, Revolver: 40~50
Weapon 2, Knife: 40~50
Jumping Height: 72
Jumping Distance: 256~288


Etc
Max height of stair step: 18
Minimum width of stair step: 0.03~0.04
Minum height to fall from before taking damage: 260 ~ 280
Max distance a spy can travel while cloaked: 3000~3100
Max distance a demoman can launch a sticky: 1540~1640
Max surface height an engineer can build on by jumping from a sentry: 186~190
Maximum slope an engineer can build on 1/2 ~ 3/5
Minimum ceiling height required for an engineer to build a:
- dispencer: 62~64
- sentry: 66~68
- teleporter: 94~96


*Medic assistance required


The demo and soldier weapon aided crouch jumps are the highest/furthest platforms I was able to land on in my custom map, I'm not sure if they're 100% accurate, they may be able to go higher/further.

I collected most of the demoman's distances using a script I found for measuring distances in game. The script tells you what object/texture is under your aiming reticule and how far away it is from where you are (sv_cheats must be enabled before it will work):

bind "p" "distancealias"
alias distancealias "developer 1; surfaceprop; wait 750; developer 0"

I collected most of this info using a test map I made here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?wnhm43jpxh4 *VERSION 7*

 

[trackhed]

awesome i was just asking for this in the chat earlier today!

 

[Scotland Tom]

I knew some of this before, but your list is by far the most comprehensive I've seen. Wonderful information gathering!

 

[fartron]

Put this in a tutorial or on the valve wiki, because this thread will get buried and I will curse myself for not being able to find it.

 

[Brandished]

Put this in a tutorial or on the valve wiki

Once I make the ranges more exact I'll probably do just that. Right now I'm working on a new test map idea that should (hopefully) enable me to narrow done the ranges to within 1 hammer unit.

 

[Brandished]

Updated the stats post above, all the jumping heights (except for the sticky/rocket jumps) were narrowed down to 1 hammer unit. I'm still working on the distances and damage amounts, though I'm taking a break for now.

The big thing is the custom map update, after reading quite a few tutorials, I've managed to make it much more usable. I added a bunch of custom textures for it to be easier to plot out measurements for obstacles such as walls and gaps between structures. You can also use it to double check the measurements if you want. It still could use a lot of work/additions, let me know what you think. I'm thinking of reworking it to be easily portable to other source based games.

 

[zbandito]

those sound like useful textures, are they available for download?

 

[Brandished]

There just number/letter textures. Very, very basic. If you want I can put them in a zip/rar and upload them somewhere, or you could use packrat and extract them from the map itself.

 

[Brandished]

Added a bunch more info I found messing around in hammer. I not planning on narrowing down the jumping distances to one hammer unit, nor the damage amounts to 1 strength unit anymore, it's just too tedious (one's patience has its' limits). Anyways.... I'm gonna go ahead and add what of this I can to the Valve Dev WiKi, but remember, you can also subscribe to this thread (click on thread tools at the top) to avoid having to dig through older posts to find it.

 

[phatal]

Added a bunch more info I found messing around in hammer. I not planning on narrowing down the jumping distances to one hammer unit, nor the damage amounts to 1 strength unit anymore, it's just too tedious (one's patience has its' limits). Anyways.... I'm gonna go ahead and add what of this I can to the Valve Dev WiKi, but remember, you can also subscribe to this thread (click on thread tools at the top) to avoid having to dig through older posts to find it.

Are these just normal jump heights or are they jump crouch? Could you include which ever is not already?

 

[Brandished]

There all crouch jump heights/distances. I'll add a note to the main post.

Could you include which ever is not already?

Not quite sure what you're asking about.

 

[phatal]

There all crouch jump heights/distances. I'll add a note to the main post.

Not quite sure what you're asking about.

You have 1 jump height listed for each. I was asking if it was a regular jump or if it was a crouch jump. Whichever it is not add that to the listing.

 

[Brandished]

You have 1 jump height listed for each. I was asking if it was a regular jump or if it was a crouch jump. Whichever it is not add that to the listing.

Ah, I see. I didn't include regular jump distance information because I never recorded it to begin with. I didn't need the information for my obstacle course type map when I started making this list 2 months ago.

Anyways, according to the Dev Wiki, regular vertical jumps are about 27 units less then crouch jumps (http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/TF2/Team_Fortress_2_Mapper's_Reference). Although, there's nothing listed in the WiKi for how regular horizontal jumps compare to crouch horizontal jumps, from my experience they are similar to the vertical jumps, roughly 25~35 units less then the crouch jumps, give or take.

 

[phatal]

O wow.. didn't realize I could find that info there. VERY useful! Thanks again.

 

[Brandished]

I *finally* got around to cleaning up the VDC reference page and adding the last of my info to it. As I don't want to have to keep updating info in two separate places (and as this thread tends to get barried under all the posts here), just use the VDC as a reference for this info from now on. I don't plan on updating this thread anymore after today.