KotH Washout a12

Hi all, first post of mine in a long time. This is a quick map I've thrown together in the last couple of days.

I love the Borneo jungle theme and want to make something with it, so my plan at the moment is to have a dusk or early morning jungle setting once this layout has been tested and polished.

Special thanks to Heyo for creating and sharing the Borneo jungle assets!

Thanks guys.

Thanks JMaxchill for taking the time to run around and provide feedback. I agree with you about the low route needing something to make it more interesting; I'm still giving it some thought. Maybe ideas will become clearer after some testing.

I've updated the map to a new version. Spent a fair bit of time reworking the lighting to be balanced for both teams and provide better visibility in the key combat areas. Also dropped the Borneo environmental effects in; these are largely temporary as I plan to ultimately change the time of day but keep the jungle setting. Just really there to give a better impression of the setting.

EDIT: Updated map again. Have increased the size of the map, made the main route to the point more team-friendly, added a tower overlooking the point that is accessible from the lowest points on the map and made the spawns more defensible.

Thank you to everyone that tested and gave feedback on the gameday and Friday impromptu. The map seemed to play alright, but lacked variety. Defending the point seemed too easy and people were frustrated trying to attack. Also there were some sentiments that the map was small and areas cramped. With these points in mind I'm implementing these changes for a9:



- The point has been lowered to have no height advantage over the garage doors.
- The roof is still accessible but has been limitted. You can't access the other team's side of the roof from your side and there's very little room to dodge while on there.
- A ramp has been added to the middle wall of the point to provide another route to it. This opens the point up more to all the classes.



- There is now sleight height advantage (64 units) for people coming out of the garage doors. Hopefully this will help them attack the point better.



- The middle tower has been expanded in size to allow for a bit better combat within.



It's just an extra 64 units but it seems to feel much better.



- Reduced the amount of health available in the base of the middle tower to 1 medium kit. It has been placed in a more exposed area.

And I did a very basic texture pass and added a few details mainly because I was bored.

Thanks Vincent . What was your name in the demo? I couldn't seem to find you...

I've released a9 for download; gon' need some tests!

@Vincent oh yeah you made a good mauling or two

I've gone a little crazy and deleted nearly the entire map and rebuilt it .



Bleg, ignore the 3d skybox. My goals for this rebuild are to address the lack of variety and the small size of the map.

The changes I've made are:



- Moved the bottom route that passed under the "bridge" to instead wrap around the middle tower. Added water to the route, which is closer to my original concept. I wanted a more powerful option for flanking classes like pyro, spy and scout. This route allows flanking straight into mid or up into the enemy's battlement. The water also allows people up on the catwalks to bail safely and soldiers to perform big rocketjumps.



- Enclosed each teams' battlements in more cover. In the old map I felt like snipers needed a more varied perch and engineers found no real use for the battlements, so I buffed them (I think).
- Flattened the main area around the point. To make combat feel less exhausting.
- Separated enemy and friend access routes to the battlements into 2 distinct routes. Mainly to allow the battlements to be reached on equal terms by each team so any battles over it happen within it rather than in some hallway.



- Directly bridged the battlements with the middle tower. This is probably crazy, but feels cool so we'll see how it tests .



- Closed off middle tower's direct access to the point, replaced with a glass view port. With the addition of the catwalks a vantage over the point felt excessive, but allowing people to peek out on the action seems good.
- Removed direct access from ground to mid tower. This felt poky and uninteresting, so it got the chop.



- Added a route that wraps around the point with small side yards for each team. This is my main attempt at opening up the options for the map. It feels like there's much more a player can choose from with this added route.
- Added a staging yard for each team between their spawn and the main battle area. Again, this aims to increase options. Teams can pull away from the main area and switch routes.
- All the health and ammo has been replaced. I'm very unsure about my choices on these, am interested in feedback.

So yeah, still working on it, but I'm very keen to try to land this in a test soon!

http://tf2maps.net/posts/340775/

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@tyler You're a legend! I think the points you've made are right on the money. A lot of the geometry between spawn and mid was very vague in my head, but now I feel like there's much more clarity around what's needed.

Thanks to everyone for testing and providing feedback today. I've been picking through all the feedback considering what changes are best and are coming to some pretty clear ideas. Will be sharing progress soon!

Okay here goes the progress:


Cut the route joining the two side yards, which were allowing a very direct push to the enemy spawn. Added a doorway to a new room, following:


This feels like it was really missing. This goes from the side yard (light in the bottom right of the shot) through to mid and up to the battlements. Also has some much needed health. Also this area appears to be a strong position for engineers to set up, which was an issue in the test.


Added some height for the attacking team and added cover. This, plus the health pack inside the doorway should make direct attacks on the point more viable. Also it's not apparent in the screenshot but the fence does a lot of work cutting long sight lines from a couple of angles.


This is how the area around the point looks now. Oh I also changed the small ammos in mid (off to the bottom right in the image) to medium ammos.


I removed the confusing-as-hell clipping in this room, creating a drop-down to the water route. Upped the health to a medium pack. Fixed the glass texture on the window, though to my defence the texture I was using is tagged as a "tf" texture in hammer


Added a full health pack to the water route; combined with being able to exit from mid tower here should hopefully make it more interesting.


Attempted to make water route's access to the battlements a little more obvious.


Now the area after spawn. It's difficult to capture in a single screenshot, but I've attempted to really kill the enemy's ability to push this area. The health has been removed, the home team has height advantages and good angles. The home team also can set up sentries in the area that cover everything and hopefully are quite tricky to take down. This shot also shows the new, much more open route up to the team's battlements.


Replaced the single incredibly chokey hallway leading up to the battlement with a more open area. This should hopefully give each team actual command over their battlements.


This new area also has a drop-down that leads directly to the water route for slipping into mid unnoticed.


This is how the interior of the battlements looks now. I've also changed the large ammo in here to a medium ammo.


Another view of the staging area. The two passages come from red spawn.


It's getting kind of tricky to show all the routes in one overview, but hopefully this illustrates the most important changes.

It was also mentioned in the feedback that the spawns are a bit bungling at the moment, so I'll be working on tidying them up as part of the next version as well...

Layout has been refined and pickups rethought.

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Thank you to everyone that tested today in the game day. I'm really pleased with the feedback and feel the map is close to moving to beta, where I will bring yet more sweaty jungle beauty... to the skybox.

However, there are a couple of other experiments I'd like to try with the layout. If they make it worse I'll roll them back, but I think they're worth trying. Will be making a post later detailing them.

One thing I'm concerned about at the moment is whether or not there's enough interesting jumps & play for soldier and routes for scout. I know @worMatty mentioned a lack of interesting soldier play around mid. I'd like to dig into that a bit more, but don't have a clear idea of how to address it at the moment.

@worMatty That makes a lot of sense, thank you! I'll have to give that a good ponder.

@tyler Thanks, though I attribute the majority of this map's play-ability to the excellent feedback I've gotten. Also the many great articles within the community. I feel like I might have lucked out with getting these updates as "right" as I have. Time will tell, I suppose. I really want to work on an A/D map as the next project, need me some of dat asymmetry.