[WIP] Karachi... no set gametype yet

Discussion in 'WIP (Work in Progress)' started by Cerulean, Sep 13, 2008.

  1. Cerulean

    Cerulean L3: Member

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    [WIP] Karachi... gametype undecided (Added Video!)

    Edit: Added Video. Encoding for youtube always turns out bad for me... not sure why. Anyways, its about 10 minutes of footage, here's the link:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmZUsig3cO8


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    It's been a few months, maybe even a year since I put this project on the shelf... I thought I'd pull it back off and see if I could finish it. The layout of the map is based on a defuse map from counter-strike... de_karachi01. I loved the map because of the many paths you could take, and the ambience was pretty damn good (I thought the sounds were great). Links to cs map:

    http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/16601
    http://www.slothy.com/composite/karachi/

    So far, I'd say I have the majority of the brushwork done. I stopped working on this map last year when I realized how much there was left to do before testing... lots of texturing... detailing... maybe modeling... etc. (didn't have the time for it).

    But now, I've got lots of free time. I need some help. The first problems I need help with:

    1. Rooftop access. I feel like rooftop-jumpers are going to dominate if I don't limit access to some rooftops. I don't want to use the cheesy invisible wall to keep them off... but I don't know if I can 'raise the roof' and still make it look good. This will depend on the theme.

    2. The theme. The old theme was... well... karachi. I need to change this... kind of. I want to keep as much of the ambience as I can from the old map. I loved the sounds. I might link these later. But yeah... look at the pictures... let me know if you have a theme that might fit (even if I need to change a couple things). Anything at all...

    3. Textures. Detail. Etc.
    This goes with the theme... duh. The brick and concrete was originally used for contrast when I was running around in-game. I need a reason for the spool, crate, and bench props. Ignore the control point props... (laser/radio/radar). I definitely need to add more props (light fixtures, theme props, etc). And the skybox... no idea what to put there yet.

    4. Gametype. Almost forgot. I was going to use that one type... the cp one.. capture two points before you capture the third. But... I don't think I like it. Suggestions, please.

    5. Size. This kinda goes with gametype. When I finished turning the cs map into a tf2 map, the map was, well, cs-sized. I stretched the map's x's and y's, and it seems to have worked without any problems. I might eventually throw in some screens to help (better than the ones below, using third person? or sentry range... or just some engy buildings). Does it need to be stretched a little more?

    I'll add more to this list when I think of something. A few notes before screens... I'm going to try to get a video of the map (tf2 version), running through it or whatever. I might convert/upload a video to youtube, of the cs version of karachi that I have from one of the sites I linked. And... any help/ideas would be appreciated... I want to get this map ready for testing ASAP. I'll be doing some sketches and maybe a little modeling once I find a theme I like.

    Here's some screens of what I think is the most recently compiled version (captions might help, and I forgot how to take screens without all the on-screen crap):

    Spawns are red and blue (red defending). CP's were green (if I keep that gametype). Cap 1 and 2 to unlock 3. Or A and B, then C... whatever works for you. I kinda made it confusing... too late now; for reference, A is #2, B is #1, C is #3. And I think all the concrete roofs that aren't touching the skybox are accessible. For now.
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    Above blue spawn. Too many rooftops. Ugh.
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    Blue spawn. Straight out or above right, your choice.
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    Looking out from above blue spawn. Left to #1, right to #2.
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    Looking at blue spawn (top left)
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    Looking towards blue spawn from near CP #2. Blue can go through the hall or to the bottom left.
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    Near blue (blue spawn is right, around corner). Left goes to #1. The top left building with the lookout can see points 1 & 2, but sentries will only have so much range.
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    Lets call this CP #1 (need 1 and 2 to get 3)
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    Looking at CP #1. Blue would be coming from the far side (top-left ish).
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    CP #1 from blue side.
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    And... CP #2 (need 1 and 2 to get 3)
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    Looking from CP #2. Left goes to blue spawn, right to either #1 or #3.
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    CP #2 again. Left goes to upper blue spawn.
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    Looking at #2
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    Looking from above #2.
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    "Mid". Left, or over the roof on the center-left goes to #3. Right to #2, bottom left to #1.
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    Shot taken from about the same spot as above, looking reverse direction. Mid to #1. Building on right overlooks #1. Building on left (barely visible) has views of both points 1 & 2.
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    Mid again.
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    Red side to #1. Above is accessible by taking the top left hall.
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    Looking at red. #3 is at bottom left, red spawn at top.
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    Red spawn.
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    Above #3, with different ways to get to #2.
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    Standing where red goes to #3. Hall goes to #2.
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    Above #3. Top goes to mid, top-left overlooks mid.
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    Above #3, top-right goes to #1.
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    Above area connecting #2 to #3.
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    The screens aren't the best... not even full res. I don't have a screen of some of the building interiors... maybe once I do a little more work I'll clean this thread up. And I might try to get a video so you can see the map layout a little better.
     
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  2. Solynth

    Solynth L5: Dapper Member

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    Looking good so far, nice layout.

    Constructive criticism:
    Vary your textures more, maybe add frames/beams around some of your buildings and give them a wooden texture so they stand out and don't just look like there all part of one huge wall of buildings. Thats all I can think of, Good luck.
     
  3. Dox

    Dox L8: Fancy Shmancy Member

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    This map was AWESOME in CS 1.6! Please don't limit the rooftops too much, it was one of the things I loved about it.
     
  4. FaTony

    FaTony Banned

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    Umm, i think u should try to convert arabic desert cs theme to something texas desert tf theme.. like umm badwater.

    Actually, dude, the map would be GREAT with payload type. I clearly see mirrored S shape track. And those CPs would preserve your order! Just make track route wider and here we go. Awesome pl map.

    Painted:
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  5. Cerulean

    Cerulean L3: Member

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    Added video. I suck at encoding for youtube... but get over it. It's about 10 minutes of footage, just for layout, ignore most detail/theme/texture stuff (since that will change).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmZUsig3cO8


    @Dox

    By limiting the rooftops, I mean areas that weren't accessible in 1.6. You can see what I mean at the end of the video.


    @FaTony

    I don't even know if I wanted to keep the desert theme... I'd like to go alpine and still keep the ambient sounds.

    Pl would be fun if I could pull it off (meaning I don't know how much I'd want to change the original map). Some parts of the map seem like they would be left out... I did make a slightly larger version the map (more stretched anyways), I'll have to load that up and see how it looks/feels. The points might change slightly, and I'd probably add more for payload.


    and, @CHRONOS

    Deciding on a theme should help me fix those problems. Then each building would have a purpose... and not look like a wall of bricks.
     
  6. FaTony

    FaTony Banned

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    ent_fire game_timer AddTime 9999999
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    Current size looks perfect.

    Also, here what i think should be changed:
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  7. Cerulean

    Cerulean L3: Member

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    If anyone wants to test the layout or whatever... I've tried setting up a dedicated server.

    My IP changes occasionally... so resolve the IP for chill.mine.nu. Port should be default. Password is karachi.

    I'll try to leave it up when I'm at work/sleeping... so you might not be able to connect. If you can, don't break it. ;)
     
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2008
  8. joshman

    joshman L5: Dapper Member

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    BTW, Ladders in TF2 Don't work well, and personally i'd avoid them and replace them with ramps.
     
  9. Gadget

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    I wouldn't say that they don't work well. As long as a ladder is not part of the main routes but instead used for an additional side passage (like a sniper spot) it's fine and not a bad thing to use one or two ladders in a map. Just don't use them in areas where a lot of action takes place and always try to provide a second path like a ramp to get where the ladder goes.
     
  10. Cerulean

    Cerulean L3: Member

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    I don't mind having a couple of ladders, but I am trying to replace the ones that I can. Actually... I already have . A couple will be pretty hard to replace, still not sure what to do about them.
     
  11. FaTony

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    Those ladders are ok.