[WIP]CTF_BankJob (BIG UPDATE!)

Discussion in 'WIP (Work in Progress)' started by ArsenaL, Aug 14, 2008.

  1. ArsenaL

    ArsenaL L1: Registered

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    It has been a while :) i had a massive stick thrown in the spokes of my mapping bicycle due to work shortly after the original post. It was more like a log but you get the picture. Anywho.. here's the original post of my map (first one :) ) if you would like to refresh your memory.

    http://forums.tf2maps.net/showthread.php?t=2446&highlight=ctf_bankjob

    I'm in the military and stationed in South Korea right now so life can get kind of hectic and mess up my mojo occasionally. OK!!! SO a few weeks ago i really sat down and starting digging in deep with this bad boy. I took everyone's advice and did (what i feel) was the best for the map. I spent a few days reading, reading and reading some more in an attempt to teach these tools to myself. Anyway, enough chit chat. Here's updates to the previous pictures, some new ones, and explanations! Here we go! :thumbup:

    (please excuse the brightness differences... i'm still trying to get the lighting down.. i'm almost there. i had to turn my brightness up/down so you can see certain areas.)

    Thanks to Juice for the asphalt/road textures. I changed the road one a bit so i could make my parking lots. if you want it to include in your package let me know man! thanks! :)

    Thanks to Brainsample for the car models :)

    BLU spawn area. Less lighting in these areas now.
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    BLU Vault. Have 2 different ideas for this area. This is just a preview of the look i'm heading towards.
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    BLU Vault, teller/lobby area. Spawn is just to the left of vault door. If you remember before (or click the above link) then you know this was just a round wall with nothing sticking out. In the process of modeling gold bars & cash registers for this area. bars go in the vault.. of course. The teller area will have cash registers / seperators on the desktop between each station / a "money slot" for your transactions :) the office near the resupply room on 2fort's basement has something similar on the window. My slot will be going under the window, not through it. Oh chairs will be here as well :) (other side of glass wont be a playable area.. its just eye candy)
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    BLU lobby area.. there will be those metal bars with ropes that banks use to seperate the waiting lines. One for blue, one for red.
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    BLU lobby again (compare to old picture)
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    View from BLU Battlements (compare to old picture)
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    BLU Battlements again... the 3d skybox you see is a placeholder.. was just experimenting with getting the ground textures outside matching perfectly.. and the "city" atmosphere. It will be split in the finished product to be divided BLU/RED of course. Right now its mixed and there for my education :) it is helping me learn a lot about sun placement.. that's for sure..
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    Warehouse/Loading dock towards BLU bank/parking lot. The buildings you see with dev textures i have big plans for.. (4 total buildings) the ideas i have for them are going to be a real treat :) i hope you like it.
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    BLU Parking lot. I'm trying to make a yellow texture right now and i'm experimenting with bump mapping. For the most part i have it down, but my first prototype made the parking blocks look like spongebob squarepants... the texture on there now is a placeholder and is in the game already.
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    In the warehouse/loading dock. 2nd floor.
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    The loading dock, first floor (compare to before)
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    My 25ft flatbed trailer! Yes... i made the whole thing with just brushwork.. lol. It looks fine as it is, but if i get the time i'm going to make an actual model. The light hits it at a funny angel.. thats why you see one of the rims in the back like it's glowing. i'm going to move it (plus my sun needs to be repositioned...)
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    opposite side of loading dock
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    wtf.. this truck all the sudden became glazed over.. just for your amusement, i already fixed it lol.
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    RED Parking lot.
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    grass in the parking area is a displacement .. really has a nice look to it i think.
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    RED parking lot again
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    RED Lobby. The teller area in here is going to be adjusted a little so its not so HL1 looking. Its way too ... blocky.. and makes for bad shadows.
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    RED spawn area... should i use a wood for their pillars & borders?? i had a darker concrete before but it has a nasty reflection with cubemaps.
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    RED Vault
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    some more parking area/grass for RED
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    exit of red base (right side)
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    Well hopefully you like the adjustments/improvements i've made. Once again this is my first map, and idc if i decide to not release it.. there will be a finished product :)

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    This map isnt even close to being finished.. i know this.. i have a lot of detail to go through still. The interiors of the banks i havent even really touched besides a few fixes/adjustments.

    There is a lot of modeling still to be done, mainly by V1c10us who is helping me with testing & ideas. He will be making the gold bar, cash registers, line ropes, and a few other items i need.

    Please please please dump all your opinions on me, i want to know all good/bad things. I already have it set how this map is going to play out, but ideas are always welcome :) There's still a few areas i have yet to show. Thank you!!

    I estimate .. next weekend i will probably have a beta version to release for gameplay testing. If i get enough people that want me to of course. Thank you all for your input last time, and now that i have more time to work on it, i'm hoping i can produce a good map for everyone!
     
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  2. drp

    aa drp

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    i love seeing new environments!

    will look forward to updates.

    screen shot #3 reminds me a lot of the ctf_well from tfc.
     
  3. ArsenaL

    ArsenaL L1: Registered

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    some additions from today..

    please more comments.. =/






    red ropes.. also decided to round off teller area. the jagged edges just werent cutting it

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    blue ropes..
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    annnnd my COUCH!!! from brush work :) pillows are displacements look pretty good up close. you can barely tell its brush work when in game. next i need a tiny plant hmmm.. and some magazines and a coffee table.. the lobby is taking shape!!! ok well i have to go work on the blue textures and upload more pictures .. internet is slow tonight.
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  4. luxatile

    aa luxatile deer

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    That's some awesome brushwork on your couch. Very well done!

    You may have noticed it, but you seem to have forgotten to put any slack on one of the red ropes.
     
  5. ArsenaL

    ArsenaL L1: Registered

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    yes lmao.. as soon as i submitted the reply to this i saw it.. i had another picture on this that showed about 5 ropes with no slack.. that puppy got deleted.. already fixed it lol. thanks :)
     
  6. Armadillo of Doom

    aa Armadillo of Doom Group Founder, Lover of Pie

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    /impressed. Did you really make that couch from must brushes? It could easily be a model :) Also, I think you should really consider adding an intro movie. The black and white old film style would be absolutely perfect here! Keep up the good work m8 :)
     
  7. ArsenaL

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    Blue couches added, lobby for both banks is almost complete. I had to scrap the 4 buildings outside so i can re-position them. Both banks are being re-built on the exterior.. mainly the battlements. Before the backhall by spawn went up 2 floors and down a long hall to the battlements. I changed it so there's 2 doorways on the 2nd floor above lobby that lead directly to battlements.

    -Battlements extended to make it look like it's PART of the building
    -Backdoors added to assist snipers/engineers get in place faster
    -Couches complete, re-textured to be darker.
    -Re-worked outside design..

    I will provide new screen shots and concept pictures of the new outside sometime around tonight.




    Yeah haha, XSI doesnt work for me.. i dont know why but it just sucks right now.. the mod tool doesnt render anything completely... idk.. i might try blender but i'm not sure. Any opinions on modeling programs?? Plus i like the look :)

    Do you know of any FREE modeling programs that are as powerful as 3ds/XSI?
     
  8. timberghost_paintball

    timberghost_paintball L2: Junior Member

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    Blender is probably the best of the free ones, but none of them are as powerful as max or xsi, they cost $ for a reason. But I'm a maya guy so I don't really know much about most of the free ones. I've heard of wings 3d and milkshape but I think they are quite primitive
     
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  9. ArsenaL

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    Some more updates..

    Redesigned both bank exteriors
    Redesigned all 4 buildings
    Added gate shacks for parking lots
    Added Sidewalks
    Added Roads
    Tore apart back ramp area behind spawn and turned it into something more believable

    What i need to do still : tear a hole in the ground where the roads are so they are construction sites, add a hole in the ground in the form of either the actual construction site or a manhole. This hole will be dropping into a sewer directy in the middle of the map and will have tunnels dug into it on either side that lead to both vault areas to add a different route and to encourage people coming towards the middle of the map & adding more combat.

    PICTURE TIME!

    Blue lobby
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    New external view, Blue
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    Side of warehouse.. the road that will be under construction.. one on other side of warehouse too.
    Hope you like my sidewalk texture :)

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    Red external

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    Red lobby
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    Back stairs for red.. leads to pillbox + backhall behind intel. same for blue
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    Overhead view of the map so far...

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    I hope you like! i hope more people start looking at this thread lmfao...

    Next update in a few days!!!
     
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  10. laghlagh

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    I don't like the "RED" and "BLU" on the sofas.
     
  11. ArsenaL

    ArsenaL L1: Registered

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    any particular reason??
     
  12. oxy

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    I think he means the words/logos 'red' and 'blu' and I would agree. They just look out of place and a bit off. Other then that things are starting to shape up pretty well.
     
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  13. laghlagh

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    Hahaha, that's correct. Me trying to give constructive critisism while half-asleep = :confused:
     
  14. luxatile

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    I'll have to agree that the RED and BLU logos don't fit very well on there. Making it all completely blue/red would probably look better.
     
  15. ArsenaL

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    I'll see what i can do :) thank you!
     
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    New Pictures and the SANVICH SHOP!

    Hello everyone!! First off.. thanks to the encouragement so far and opinions. Please keep them coming i check this website constantly hoping somebody has been looking at this thread :D

    Here's some new updated stuff!

    first.. the couches.. are they better like this or should i make it all the EXACT same shade of blue? i removed the "BLU" and "RED" logos. (before & after)

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    After..
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    What do you think???? Without the logos i feel it needs to be the same shade..

    above BLU lobby
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    BLU Lobby
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    Blu side offices & Hallways (eye candy)
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    My first attempt at a gold bar. Brush work with specular lighting. I'm thinking i should darken the texture and put a damper on that reflection :|
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    heading outside
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    BLU parking lot, new grass texture i made (will upload on site)
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    a better look at my grass. It's made from scratch, the grass textures that came with the alpine environment weren't what i was looking for. I'm going to be making another version of this texture soon with sprites
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    Gate shack
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    the SANVICH SHOP!!!!! mmmmm
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    i'm proud of my signs :)
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    DOH!
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    Red base
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    Red parking
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    Red offices
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  17. DestroyX #R

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    Nice ! Good Job ! That's true, the couches looks better now.
     
  18. nossie

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    lolz i love the sandvich shop! pity its out of order :( otherwise its looking like a good map i have to ask tho is the only way into the base via the front entrance? or is there a sewer (like in 2fort) or something along the lines of that
     
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    I just saw i left the "D" out of sandvich... doh!!! re-doing now.


    right now there is the 2 front doors, windows on the battlements for scouts/soldiers/demomen and i am building a sewer that runs through the middle of the map. there's going to be holes in the vaults of both banks that have tunnels dug to these sewers and break through the actual sewer wall. It's going to require a lot of displacement work and detailing so i'm saving it for last. I want to decorate the interiors of both banks first and get all 4 "shops" finished. The next one is going to be tricky :)

    Thank you so much for the comments everyone!
     
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  20. ArsenaL

    ArsenaL L1: Registered

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    FIXED!!! lol

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