Discussion in 'WIP (Work in Progress)' started by FaTony, Aug 21, 2008.
How could you ever fall this low FaTony
Don't mess with my favorite map.
My eyes hurt!
No pics, no clicks
I was hoping someone would do this, preferably Valve. You'll obviously get flamed for using Valve's source, but that's each person's opinion and preference. One thing that is not is the map name. PLEASE don't make your final arena_hydro, since you'll screw things over if Valve does release this themselves. Name it arena_hydro_remake or something like that.
Hardly. Valve owns everything created with their SDK.
Yeah if valve do make their own they'l just force an overwrite, bye bye map by fatony
You're going to release a map that's been decompiled and recompiled?
Just editing the entities? Good call there. It's listed as being 50% done, which scared me off. Which 50% is done and which 50% is not done?
Why is everyone flaming him for this? It would've been better if he didn't post this on the forums because then he wouldn't have gotten flamed.
Things like this are supposed to get flamed because it's just WRONG.
My opinion about you is changing FaTony, decompiling valve maps and make something different with slight changes is the lowest you can get imho. And than bumping 2 very old threads.... I dunno what you're doing :/
EntEd'ing Valve maps. There's a difference, but more from a quality control point of view than a ethics point of view.
For the ethics aspect, Valve has shown before (with pl_dustbowl and cp_2fort) that they really don't care if people do this as long as they're not packing content in there that people didn't pay for. The bigger point to be had, however, is that if you don't agree with what he's doing, just don't download/play the map. Nobody is forcing you to violate your ethics, and he's providing something other people might enjoy.
I guess what I'm saying is that one flame per person is probably enough to get your point across, and there's really no point to additional ones.
I don't find it despicable. People aren't fooled and take those maps for what they are : possible fun alternatives to known officials and no more. I can't foresee mappers getting undeserved credit for this.
We have included a long time ago a edited version of warpath that fitted our playstyle better than the original. Of course, it's only a internal work and won't be redistributed anywhere. But in the case of sold material with known agreement, this should not be really an ethic issue.
pl_dbheights with its mixed content is a bit more problematic since it does include a certain amount of work but still is not an original creation. Anyway, I find the adapted arena maps aren't as good as the new specially created ones : mappers job ahead !
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