What do you think is the best gamemode for a newbie to map for?

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FloofCollie

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^ title. What do gamemode do you feel is the best one to teach a newbie mapper how to make a decent map and expose them to the mechanics that have to be taken into account?

I personally think KOTH is, as it features pretty much all staple TF2 mechanics (symmetry, Control Points and logic) and is a popular and well-balanced gamemode and is easy (or easier) to design and map for.

What about you?
 

Muddy

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I'd say Arena is the easiest gamemode to map for, cos Arena maps tend to be much smaller and simpler than other gamemodes. It's not a very popular gamemode though, so KOTH might be your best bet if you want people to play your map ;)
 

FishyUberMuffin

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I say koth
 

Star Bright

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I say koth primarily for the same reasons already listed. The logic to set up behind it is not much more advanced than Arena, people will actually play it a lot more (even if it is the most oversatured of gametypes here on TF2Maps) and you learn a lot, especially about symmetrical design. The maps don't have to be too big, and you can focus a lot on your center point instead of having the whole "Arena servers hate it when you cap" issue.
 

FloofCollie

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Wait, really? Was that this past Thursday? Because that is really cool
I was fairly sure it was like that since Meet Your Match launched under the Alternate Gamemodes tab, but a quick Google search shows me that I must be wrong...?

That's a shame, I was certain it had been added. :c
Sorry for the false alarm...
 
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Idolon

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I don't think symmetrical maps are any easier to develop than asymmetrical ones. However, smaller maps are easier to develop than larger ones, and Arena/KotH maps are typically the smallest. A single stage of an A/D CP map (like Dustbowl) would be another good mode to learn from, though it is more prone to fail than the two aforementioned modes.
 

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easiest koth
hardest payload/payload race

This might not be so true. I've never done koth map, because i can't think of map twisted (viaduct) or rotated 180 (harvest) or 90 (probed). Then i've made 4 payload maps and that seems the most easiest to do for me, because i dont have to worry about symmetry.
 
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This might not be so true. I've never done koth map, because i can't think of map twisted (viaduct) or rotated 180 (harvest) or 90 (probed). Then i've made 4 payload maps and that seems the most easiest to do for me, because i dont have to worry about symmetry.
i personally think payload is the hardest because you have to lay the track path manually down and it's just annoying sometimes
 

MOCOLONI

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i personally think payload is the hardest because you have to lay the track path manually down and it's just annoying sometimes
Not to mention the creation of the payload itself. I find it more complicated than the method I used to make one for a non-Payload map, which is a completely different thing (it eventually fails at something, but at least the matching team can push it, enemies can stop it, and it rolls back after a few seconds).