using a Static Prop as Spawn

Discussion in 'Mapping Questions & Discussion' started by horza, Jan 20, 2008.

  1. horza

    horza Guest

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    well i did write quite a big post a minute ago but it seems to have vanished :(
    i want to create a spawn inside the hull of a boat. is this possible is the main question i have
    I am modeling the boat and creating the MDLs, a friend is doing the actual map.
    Here is my very simple hull

    it's all one mesh with no errors. you can see the spawn area inside the hull in the Right view port.

    i have tried a few ways of creating the collision models and how ever i do it the spawn space is ignored and the hull appears as all solid when in the game
    this tut is the only thing i haven't tried, the main reason being it will take longer to create collision model out of boxes that it would to make the model in the first place. To my mind creating a collision model out of lots of boxes would mean it would be more complex (more polys) than my hull currently has. hence why i am now wondering whether it is possible to have a spawn\room inside a static prop....or maybe it is possible, but just not practical.

    any help\tips appreciated


  2. Armadillo of Doom

    aa Armadillo of Doom Group Founder, Lover of Pie

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    I believe your problem lies in the fact that it's all one mesh. To make a hollow prop, you'd need to do so literally. Rather than being all one piece, you need to model each piece seperately and stick them together.
  3. Snipergen

    Snipergen L13: Stunning Member

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    Not true mate, remember the containers in hl2 where you can hide in in zombiemod?

    Well, you have to make a collision model that you export as a .SMD too. Assing a material to it with the texture you use as diffuse map, but dont unwrap your collision model ofcourse, now, select all polygons and set all smoothing groups to 1. Export.

    This works I think. At least my collision models do what I want them to do.
  4. Hawk

    Hawk L7: Fancy Member

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    I've done the thing you're trying:


    Ignore the two shots below the shot of the ship. I'm just reusing a graphic I was showing to somebody else.

    Anyway, I made the ship as your typical hollow mesh, however that spawn room you see (with the door) is actually brushes. In my ship's mesh I left the cabin part of it out so that it could be built in Hammer and avoid any problems. I also didn't put the ship's deck in the mesh, opting to make that out of brushes as well. There's even a downstairs to the ship (also built with brushes) that leads to a lower exit.

    That battleship is the first custom model I ever put into TF2, so I didn't bother with collision. I put invisible Player Clip brushes in all the vital points to keep people from running through the hull. But the fact that the interactive parts are made with brushes means that most of my clipping was taken care of.
  5. Shmitz

    aa Shmitz Old Hat

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    The trick to a hollow prop is that, as Snipergen suggested, you need to create a separate model for the collision, and this model must have a few properties:

    1) It must be constructed entirely of convex forms.
    2) All faces must have a material assigned to them. This can be anything, and it doesn't matter how they're mapped, as they're not actually rendered.
    3) Each convex object in the collision model must belong to its own smoothing group.
    4) Last, but not least, you can have no more than 20 objects in your collision model. I found the model compiler complaining at me about convexity when I had even 21 objects, and they were all convex. So if you have more than 20, it'll ignore your collision model and just create the one big solid block. If your model is complex enough, this may warrant splitting it up into multiple models.