I can't remember who i was discussing this with in the steam chat the other night, but we were discussing pet hates of playing engineer. After talking about tf2 i just had to go play it. Someone mentioned people bunching together, or basketing all the sg's in on tasty spot. Not 10 minutes into a game when 2 more engineers join and.. Although it appears i only got 2 killing blows, me and a demo man had succesfully defended against several attacks and uber's. There was no call for this waste of space. I suppose since i started this thread other people can add there opinions on nubbish engineer play. I just found it ironic having talked about engineers being gimps and then seeing this moments later.