Standardising a CTF HUD.

Discussion in 'Contests' started by zpqrei, Jun 7, 2009.

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Should there be a standard HUD for Attack and Defend CTF?

  1. Yes, what you suggested.

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  2. No, let people experiment.

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  3. Yes, but not what you suggested.

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  4. Other (please say what it is)

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  1. zpqrei

    aa zpqrei Theme Changer Extraordinaire

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    If you were playing Panamint Springs and Vector yesterday then we were talking about creating a standard HUD for the Contest's CTF maps. We went though the ways we could implement and in the end I made this:
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    Basically, it's a single CTF arrow with two CP icons, so people have all the information they need about the intel. They can see what point they are attacking, where the intel is, if someone is carrying the intel, etc. What do you guys think?
     
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  2. Hanz

    aa Hanz Ravin' Rabbid

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    First: I hitted the option 'Yes, but not what you suggested' by mistake, I didn't saw there was -but not what you suggested- I actually wanted to hit the option 'Yes, what you suggested'. :)

    Yea, yesterday we were talking about how we could improve the HUD for this A/D ctf gametype. The thing you made looks wonderfull and I think it gives all the information the players need. I hope you can make this so I could use it in Panamint Springs! :D
     
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  3. Artesia

    Artesia L6: Sharp Member

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    I would LOVE the ability to make our own custom HUDs for our maps. I was the one who voted "other" as rather than asking valve if they could make that for us, I'd prefer to know how to do it ourselves, I have a custom gametype I'm working on for cp_confinement and am forced to use a CP icon for my intel, and game_text for scoring as you can see in the Current Hud Screenshot. Making graphics is not a problem, knowing how to implement them in game is another thing.

    If we could do this ourselves, it would be just one step closer to being able to bring the wide variety for maps we had back in TFC, which is what made that game great!

    I'm no programmer, but what I would like are new entities where we could modify the hud...

    info_hud - would have fields for red vtf and blu vtf, and X and Y position. mainly used to create the stylized frames around the main hud elements.. This entity is required for any other info_hud entities to work, and disables standard CTF/CP/PL huds.

    info_hud_ctf - entity that would add a round ctf pointer to the hud, has fields for X and Y, and an option to show it as neutral unless it is being carried (basically allowing the team color to be changed on the intel status, for neutral intel games). Also has a carried XY field, which will only show when the connected intel is being carried by the player). Most importantly it is connected to a named intelligence in order to function, to allow multiple intelligence if desired.

    info_hud_cp
    - entity to add cp icons to the Hud, must be connected to a capture area to display, has options for materials for each team, including all locked states. all materials for all the states can be changed with addoutput commands. also has X Y and scale parameters.

    info_hud_pl - this is trickier probably, as it would likely need to work as a path the cart icon would follow, to allow for circular payload hud setups... I don't know how that would work but it could possibly get its shape based on a simple custom model or something. but even without that, this would allow adding payload huds on custom X Y coordinates and scale to your custom Hud

    info_hud_text
    - this works much like Game_text does when it comes for custom scores but uses the TF2 font, is limited in amount of characters, possibly only numbers, possibly text size (or scale) options... optionally this could be replaced by some kind of progress bar for each team, like the PLR hud without the carts and speed zones... this is just a way to allow custom scoring.

    all of these entities (except the base info_hud entity, as only one is needed and should always be drawn on the bottom) would have an index field that would specify what level it should rendered at in relation to info_hud entities should they overlap. This also limits the amount of entities that can be rendered. 1 being on the bottom 9 being on the top, maximum of 10 custom hud elements displayed at one time (9 + 1 base layer from the base info_hud)
     
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  4. TheDarkerSideofYourShadow

    TheDarkerSideofYourShadow L10: Glamorous Member

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    Honestly, I would have liked if there had been a custom pack prior to the announcement of the contest. That would include things like hud, intel model, base plates, etc. You know, stuff that makes it feel like "Hey, I noticed these things, I'm obviously playing an A/D ctf map." Basically, stuff that makes it more official.

    Thanks for doing this. This + errieone's cap points (and maybe his intel model) are making for some nice custom content to distinguish these types of maps from regular ol` ctf.
     
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  5. zpqrei

    aa zpqrei Theme Changer Extraordinaire

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    Just to point out, none of this is ingame, this is just a mock up of a hud made in Photoshop.
     
  6. An Icy Mouse

    aa An Icy Mouse

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    if... IF you can get valve to agree to putting something like this in then yeah we need a standardised HUD.
     
  7. Icarus

    aa Icarus

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    That HUD is pretty sexy. I'd be all for it, and hope valve would make something like this.
     
  8. zpqrei

    aa zpqrei Theme Changer Extraordinaire

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    It's all about if now...
     
  9. Sgt Frag

    Sgt Frag L14: Epic Member

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    I like the idea but maybe that hud is a little too big.
    Maybe if the compass was tucked down in betwen the cp's more. I'm all for minimal huds.

    Either way, if someone can get this to work it would be awesome.
     
  10. NovaSilisko

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    Do want.
     
  11. Mar

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    That's an if the size of Mount Vesuvius
     
  12. andysss456

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    I'd assume that the squares for the points are based on an input? so that you can have three points on the last stage for instance? Is that the plan for the hud?
     
  13. Icarus

    aa Icarus

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    ^ I hope so. Make the HUD as flexible as possible.

    Some indication of when the CP is blocked would help, too.
     
  14. zpqrei

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    Can I have a w00t w00t?
     
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  15. NovaSilisko

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    [​IMG]
     
  16. zpqrei

    aa zpqrei Theme Changer Extraordinaire

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  17. Void

    aa Void Local Man Unable To Map, Sources Say

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    I wish Robin would add me. No response yet after I gave my Steam ID along with the BOX poster...


    You should tell him you know the Crossword guy, and that I need any ideas for what to do next...
     
  18. Artesia

    Artesia L6: Sharp Member

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    did you even bring up the idea to allow custom HUDs without programing it? I'd still rather have an entity set to customize the hud, then for valve to just write this for us... that way we can make variations of HUDs...
     
  19. NovaSilisko

    aa NovaSilisko L42: Life, the Universe and Everything

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    He did. Robin said they already have, but it might not make it to TF2.
     
  20. Mar

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    That's not a w00t w00t!