Ok I've gone between :woot:, , , :cursing: to :crying: Spawns are not working - even if I use: http://forums.tf2maps.net/showthread.php?t=19143&highlight=prefab Here's what's happening and once again I get the real f'in weird ones!! 1. I'm using a modified, pl / plr set up but I can't see why that would effect anything. Here's what's happening: 1. red will spawn in blue or blue in red not matter how many times I try to reconfigure it. 2. if I do get the blue side working (red will spawn there) - it seems as if all the spawn point s don't work - if you change player classes you usually cycle through the points but I only go through the same 4 points even though there's 16 in the room Any ideas cause I spent 1 hour plus on it last night scratching my head and it's holding up me releasing my alpha.