So dark!

Discussion in 'Mapping Questions & Discussion' started by TheChecker, Feb 25, 2011.

  1. TheChecker

    TheChecker L1: Registered

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    Hello guys,

    i have a question.

    Everytime when i draw a big field in the Hammer Editior, is the whole area dark.
    And i cant see the ground or the other side of the area.
    And so my question:
    Can i change it? I want to see the whole area.
     
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  2. ardysqrrl

    ardysqrrl L4: Comfortable Member

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    if you go to tools > options in hammer, look at the 3d views tab and raise the back clipping plane.
     
  3. TheChecker

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    ok thanks so far, but its still too dark is there no other possilbe way?
     
  4. ardysqrrl

    ardysqrrl L4: Comfortable Member

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    I'm not sure what the problem is, are you able to see anything in hammer's 3d view? can you provide a screenshot?
     
  5. TheChecker

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    ok see. i mean the dark hole.
    I dont know where the ground and things like that.


    [​IMG]

    sry a lil bit big.
     
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  6. jpr

    aa jpr

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    That room is too damn big, that's the problem. Why do you need it to be so big anyway?
     
  7. TheChecker

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    I thought that every Pro Mapper do good and big maps like this or not?

    Help me than pls.
     
  8. Leminnes

    aa Leminnes

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    By making a huge square room? No.

    Pro mappers make maps by forming a cohesive idea, planning it out in any of various ways (on paper for example), then making it in sections in hammer.

    Or something to that effect. Big rectangular room is a big no-no.
     
  9. Seba

    aa Seba DR. BIG FUCKER, PHD

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    It's best to start by drawing a sketch on paper, then building the map building by building; adding a semi-large ground brush can sometimes help. Never start with a giant box, and never use one to seal a map that other people will play (private tests, like lighting experiments etc are fine to cordon).
     
  10. jpr

    aa jpr

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    Not that big :s
    Here's my map crossroads for comparison:
    [​IMG]
    Your room looks like it's eight times bigger. Try using dev textures and props to get some sense of scale, because that is just far bigger than it needs to be.
     
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  11. TheChecker

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    I see.

    Can someone give me tipps, how to make such a map like Jonah ones?

    And how much hours i will need to do a big map?

    And good one?
     
  12. YM

    aa YM LVL100 YM

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    I invested around 2000 hours building, compiling and testing pl_hoodoo.

    If you're a damn quick mapper and work pretty flat out you may, just, be able to produce a medium sized map from scratch in a month.

    Also know that the stuff in the distance of maps is in the 3D skybox which is actually 16 times smaller than it appears.

    http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Category:Level_Design This link is your bible. Bookmark it and read from it every day.

    Start with this http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Your_First_Map then use all of your googling powers (and the VDC search) to find all the tutorials and examples you can, there are a hell of a lot out there.
     
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  13. TheChecker

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    thank you very very much sir :D
     
  14. TheChecker

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    Btw. Could someone pls show me or explain me how does a draw map looks like on a piece of paper?
     
  15. Zhan

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  16. Leminnes

    aa Leminnes

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    Here's what my plan for corrode looks like

    It's changed QUITE a bit from this, but planning helps nonetheless.

    There's one thing you should keep on mind: do not release your first map. Or rather, there's no real reason to playtest it. It's best to show it around to a few friends and just use the building of it as a learning experience. I'm on technically my 5th map and I'm still learning things about map design every day. Be patient.
     
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  17. absurdistof

    aa absurdistof

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    Welll in all technicality I would encourage you to release your first map, get as much feedback as possible, and if it really can't be saved, don't save it. Just don't take anything towards your map personally. You are making something imperfect, so there will be criticizm :p

    Anyways, as far as sketching out maps goes, I would recommend finding a system that works for you. For example, I started to sketch maps on lined paper or blank paper, but then quickly realized that I had no idea how to scale the map.

    Currently I draw out versions of my maps on graph paper, with every square being 128x128 units. For stairs or ramps, I already know that each stair is 12 units long and 8 units tall, a 3:2 run:rise ratio, so I simply draw them out and mark them with an arrow to indicate the fact that they're a stair/ramp.

    I highly suggest recording units in your drawings, so when you make the map in hammer, it's not absurdly scaled.

    Quick tip for scaling:
    Thin doorway - 96u wide
    Thick doorway - 192u wide
    Thin pathway - 128u wide (I've seen some that are 96 or 64, but I like 128)
    Wide path - 256u wide
    In my book an area is too wide if it's open, and a player can walk 1024 units in a straight line uninterrupted. Hell, I think I might just make a personal scaling tip because I'm bored.
     
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