Remake

Discussion in 'Mapping Questions & Discussion' started by R3dRuM, Feb 23, 2008.

  1. R3dRuM

    R3dRuM L6: Sharp Member

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    Im looking to remake a map from the old Team Fortress Classic, anybody have any suggestions they can give me? Any old maps worth remaking that you think would be popular in tf2? Post.
     
  2. Crimson

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    Im remaking Crossover2 as is someone else, theres already a ctf_badlands, theres 2-3 people doing Rock2, Warpath has been done so...

    IMO I want to see a GOOD Avanti, Casbah and Canalzone2 remake. My clan mate wants someone to make baconbowl.
     
  3. YM

    aa YM LVL100 YM

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    crimson - an avanti and casbah have definatly been done/started and I think I saw a Canalzone2.
     
  4. DrHaphazard

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    Heh well im supposedly working on CanalZone2, its taking me a while though. Ill post some pictures later since I have seem to hit a wall in figuring out how to beautify the thing. Still need lighting though =/

    I think most of the original maps have been started on, I can't really think of one that hasn't. Perhaps there were some good custom maps to do, but i dont have them downloaded anymore and can't remember any of them.
     
  5. l3eeron

    l3eeron L8: Fancy Shmancy Member

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    Im working on avanti, but by all means do an other! Im just an amateur trying to have fun with this in my spare time.... There can never be enough avanti. I didnt name mine avanti because I always thought some "real" mapper would want to do it (or perhaps even valve, even though there arent any plans for it now)



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    A good map would be acropolis2!
    (as far as I know there isn't one started yet)

    Everyone's always whining about not enough ctf....



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  6. R3dRuM

    R3dRuM L6: Sharp Member

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    Yeah, i was thinking about acropolis2, played it yesterday with bots, still open for some ideas. But acropolis is top on my mind so far
     
  7. Crimson

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    Both of them are bad. Avantiville almost made me cry when I played it. I remember an awesome night map from TFC turned into a bright, map that looks like all the other poorly made customs with sloppy brushwork.

    Casbah remake was not horrible, just pretty stupid. Looked nothing like Casbah, had a text popup in the middle of the screen every 5 minutes, and something made it play rock the casbah by the clash.
     
  8. Sacrifist

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    i think you should remake cornfield or shutdown
     
  9. zbandito

    zbandito L1: Registered

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    2Stag, CBases, and LastResort are great maps

    Look at Q3F and the free version ETF for some ideas. :)
     
  10. Vilepickle

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    I'm reserving LR for a future project I think bandito. That would be a huge challenge to get rid of the jump pads in that map and I think it might be fun to find ways around that, so I'm probably going to do it eventually.

    If anyone can prove to me they wouldn't murder Stag (ie, are very good mappers), I'd probably be willing to get the structure of the map converted for them to start from ETF since I have the dev files. Someone would have to do a lot of proving though :p
     
  11. l3eeron

    l3eeron L8: Fancy Shmancy Member

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    Geeez, you have to be so harsh!

    I never meant my avantiville to be released as it is... its not done. It was leaked from one night when we were messin around. We didnt have the server locked and some random person logged on and then uploaded it everywhere. I mean there wasnt even any lighting on the version. So I had to release something that was at least playable. You'll see, when Im done you wont be bitching about how "It's not exactly like TFC" I refuse to make a "pretty-port" of it. Im doing my own remake, notice its not named avanti, get a clue.

    sorry Im not the mapping god like you, please forgive me. :p You must be really good for knocking someone's attempt.

    Here's what a more finished version will look like... I think it looks awesome

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLc1UeFMWug
     
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  12. Scoobingsthe2nd

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    If you're going to remake a map that was as notorious as avanti was then it needs to be a port or you're going to have kneejerk reactions like the ones you are getting. Don't get all sarcastic and condescending because the most obvious reaction is the one that everyone is having.

    Your map doesn't look bad, I think it looks fine. Probably better than most customs from what I've seen in the video. The problem is that it's not to proper avanti scale and true to the original. When that happens it will play differently (probably poorly as it appears too open = sniper fest).

    I wish you all the luck in the world on avantiville, and I would love nothing more than to see a good avanti remake. When you slap avanti into the name of the map you make, people automatically assume high expectations and if you're doing it just for your own pleasure and not to make it properly, and you plan on publicly releasing it get ready for a lot of negative feedback.
     
  13. l3eeron

    l3eeron L8: Fancy Shmancy Member

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    I hear what you guys are saying and I actually agree 100%.

    ...my point is a little respect and tact goes a long way.
    Sorry, my reaction was no better either...
    I apologize for jumpin all over you crimson

    Sometimes, I wish someone who knew what they were doing would make it!

    lol

    I think I'll just rename it to something generic like ctf_dustyhill so people wont be so critical :(


    ...and thanks Scooby for the reality check *wink*
     
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  14. drp

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    yea i noticed a trend where map makers get a bad thrashing when their map differs a little from the original. hell even valve got the same treatment with badlands.

    but l3eeron has a point. dont be so critical of other map makers. its attitudes like these that put off people from actually showing their work.
     
  15. Crimson

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    I wasn't intending to attack you, and im aware of what happened with your map being taken. I was just saying Avantiville and Casbah should not even be considered remakes, much less good ones. Neither plays or looks anything like the originals.
     
  16. l3eeron

    l3eeron L8: Fancy Shmancy Member

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    In my defense, and everyone else's who are trying to remake TFC maps...

    Its damn near impossible to duplicate TFC game flow in TF2. The only way is to have lots of releases and play testing and fine tuning. I'm trying to stay away from detailing a broken map, that's all.

    I will be renaming it too, to something that doesn't carry such a heavy burden, maybe then I will get a fair shake.
     
  17. Shmitz

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    I gotta agree. The differences in gameplay mean that if a port is going to play well, changes will have to be made, particularly in scale, but also in adjusting how defendable/attackable certain areas are, among other considerations.

    I think the physical structure of cp_badlands (minus the dumb rock pile) is actually a fair job of converting the TFC version to TF2. I think they would have gotten a lot less flak if they'd kept it CTF instead of making it another lame 5-point CP map.
     
  18. l3eeron

    l3eeron L8: Fancy Shmancy Member

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    I love badlands, It would be cool if you could run each map the way you wanted. Like ctf_badlands.... cp_2fort. I guess have different version of the same map.
     
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  19. R3dRuM

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    Hmmm, anyone try thinking of torch2? I could easily be done, just, will people want it to be done?
     
  20. l3eeron

    l3eeron L8: Fancy Shmancy Member

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    never heard of torch2.... and I played TFC for a LONG time