pl_hoodoo [Final release]
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I was kindof disappointed. Showed up for gameday, hoodoo came up, it was all dev tex 
Must've been an older vers. Seemed like a decent layout but about 5 mins in the server changed maps.
Oh well, maybe next time.
Must've been an older vers. Seemed like a decent layout but about 5 mins in the server changed maps.
Oh well, maybe next time.
I wanted that final stage tested more so that I can detail the last little bit so snipergen can work on the explosion. Other then that little bit I'm working forwards through the map, I'm still on the area between capture points on stage 1.
I promise, the next public version will include something that is nicely detailed
I promise, the next public version will include something that is nicely detailed
Corion
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- May 17, 2008
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Here is my feedback for Hoodoo stage 3 from last Saturday/Sunday:
It was definitely fun. :0)
- Make it 3 caps instead of 2. It's really long to push the cart between the start and the two existing caps.
- Use two different door locations for that shortcut gate.
- During setup (and maybe until BLU captures the first point?) have a door on red's side be open, and a door where the current one is be one-way (openable from defender side).
- After the capture of point 2 have the door on BLU's side be open, and the one near the defender side is be one-way (openable from attacker side).
- Attackers need easier access to the upper middle room. I'd suggest putting a ramp on the other side of the bridge area (coming from attacker spawn) that starts on the ground near where the first cap currently is.
- The rock just outside BLU's spawn to the left should be moved far enough away from the wall that people could go by that way, or the wall there should be moved out to allow passage.
- The room with windows on the right side past the bridge (coming from attacker side) didn't really seem to get much use. I'd remove one or both of the windows so spies can cloak in there much easier and so a sentry could more effectively ambush passing attackers/defenders.
It was definitely fun. :0)
Thanks corion, your input ingame was all great, I'll definatly be looking at adding a much more visual marker of that one way door and I've drafted a new system that will make it much much clearer if you can go though or not.
I'd just about picked up on the lack of use in that side building and hadn't quite decided what to do with it, I've got a few ideas to try.
I was also getting a little annoyed with having to crouch jump over the side of that rock, its a good ambush point for pyros so I might make the ground (will be displacement) higher on the attacking side than the defending side to keep that in.
I'm not sure I agree on the 3 cap points rather than 2, It works as a difficult 2 (bearing in mind it is the final stage and is suposed to be the hardest for attackers) but I think its too small and straight for a 3 pointer. Its a really close one but I think it's best left as 2.
Glad you found it fun, that's the main thing I'm going for
I'd just about picked up on the lack of use in that side building and hadn't quite decided what to do with it, I've got a few ideas to try.
I was also getting a little annoyed with having to crouch jump over the side of that rock, its a good ambush point for pyros so I might make the ground (will be displacement) higher on the attacking side than the defending side to keep that in.
I'm not sure I agree on the 3 cap points rather than 2, It works as a difficult 2 (bearing in mind it is the final stage and is suposed to be the hardest for attackers) but I think its too small and straight for a 3 pointer. Its a really close one but I think it's best left as 2.
Glad you found it fun, that's the main thing I'm going for
Played it a little in the last days..
some things I still have to look at but some general points:
The final spawn is very near the final cp.. making it a must to spawncamp.. if that happens there is no chance to win for the defenders as the attackers have the healing bomb with them. This will also create a problem on fast spawn servers... not that I really care.
One of the final cps has 3 openenings, 2 directly on top of each other the lower one with a gate. That makes it very easy to defend at least that part, as snipers can take care of 2 entries at the same time, plus there are some good places for sentries which are very hard to get.
Also it is annoying to run out of spawn to run into a low wall or having steps where you have to jump. This can really make the difference for getting out alive or not.
Ofcourse somebody who knows the map will know that, but you also want to make it easy and straightforward for beginners.
Also having a little bit more forward spawn areas could perhaps make it harder for the defenders... on the other side I also saw the defenders rushed over one round.. don't know if that was because of stacked (people knowing the map or not and the normal stack) teams or because of the strategy.
One last thing: Try to balance sniper, pyro and spam (Demo and Soldier) a little bit more, scout and engineer have not really a big role in total... engineer on defense sure, or by building a teleporter to get to the bomb faster, and scout to harass the people, but a heavy for attack for example is quite useless.
Oh yeah... and the map has big promise...it already plays quite nice. Make sure you test it with a lot of different people (also new ones) to get a feeling and ask them for feedback.
oh, and I didn't read all the other replies :glare:
BTW: about the comment on fast spawn servers... just make sure YOU know on which server you want your map to be played, so 24 people or more / less, class limits etc.. and develop the map accordingly.. you can't make everybody happy.
some things I still have to look at but some general points:
The final spawn is very near the final cp.. making it a must to spawncamp.. if that happens there is no chance to win for the defenders as the attackers have the healing bomb with them. This will also create a problem on fast spawn servers... not that I really care.
One of the final cps has 3 openenings, 2 directly on top of each other the lower one with a gate. That makes it very easy to defend at least that part, as snipers can take care of 2 entries at the same time, plus there are some good places for sentries which are very hard to get.
Also it is annoying to run out of spawn to run into a low wall or having steps where you have to jump. This can really make the difference for getting out alive or not.
Ofcourse somebody who knows the map will know that, but you also want to make it easy and straightforward for beginners.
Also having a little bit more forward spawn areas could perhaps make it harder for the defenders... on the other side I also saw the defenders rushed over one round.. don't know if that was because of stacked (people knowing the map or not and the normal stack) teams or because of the strategy.
One last thing: Try to balance sniper, pyro and spam (Demo and Soldier) a little bit more, scout and engineer have not really a big role in total... engineer on defense sure, or by building a teleporter to get to the bomb faster, and scout to harass the people, but a heavy for attack for example is quite useless.
Oh yeah... and the map has big promise...it already plays quite nice. Make sure you test it with a lot of different people (also new ones) to get a feeling and ask them for feedback.
oh, and I didn't read all the other replies :glare:
BTW: about the comment on fast spawn servers... just make sure YOU know on which server you want your map to be played, so 24 people or more / less, class limits etc.. and develop the map accordingly.. you can't make everybody happy.
After a whole load of seemingly unexplained crashes I manages to look at it ingame and it looks better ingame than in hammer :thumbup1: (The crashes were being caused due to a lack of brush entities when I was compiling....damn you visgroups! It took me ages to figure out that I'd all my brush ents hidden)
I'm nearing the end of the first stage, I recon I'll be done in the next few days, no new screens until then though
And for DJ and others who kept mentioning the lack of skybox stuff in bloodstained, you really will be satisfied this time around!!
I'm nearing the end of the first stage, I recon I'll be done in the next few days, no new screens until then though
And for DJ and others who kept mentioning the lack of skybox stuff in bloodstained, you really will be satisfied this time around!!
I have the same problem with the original cart model.
When looking through the decompiled goldrush way back, a vaguely remember something about the cart camera, but alas, I have tried looking through it again and can no longer find it.
I found a solution, it appears the location of the camera it determined from the origin of the func_train, just move the origin to where you would like the camera.
As for the direction of the camera, I haven't tested it yet, so it's just a guess, but maybe the angle of the func_train?
As for the direction of the camera, I haven't tested it yet, so it's just a guess, but maybe the angle of the func_train?
Brilliant! you're a genious, I'd never have thought of this as I always keep the origins in the middle of things without a good reason.
AWESOME-O
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- Mar 20, 2008
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Yes but doesn't the train moves around it origin?
So if you have the origin 2 feet away from the track the train will be 2?
So if you got the origin left from the track, the cart will be right from it, because the origin follows the path_track
So if you have the origin 2 feet away from the track the train will be 2?
So if you got the origin left from the track, the cart will be right from it, because the origin follows the path_track
'sperimenting now
