On artpass contest originality...

Discussion in 'Mapping Questions & Discussion' started by Terr, Jul 19, 2010.

  1. Terr

    aa Terr Cranky Coder

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    I'd like to take a moment to predict several groups of contestants will have eerie similarities between the way they've chosen to detail the Art-pass contest maps.

    There simply aren't that many ways you re-interpret the individual map areas to fit established TF2 themes and styles, especially when "gameplay changing" changes are disallowed. Heck, I'm sure there'll even be overlap between folks thinking of "tropical beach paradise" versions, although the "It's all a giant flashing psychedelic rave-map" guy might be on his own.

    For my part, I'm going to generally avoid the project threads by contestants. (Fortunately, we don't have to worry about testing the balance of the map.) It probably won't stop accusations from flying about: "you took my idea" countered by: "no, I had it first", but it means I can say with confidence that any ideas I implement were at least reached independently.

    Anybody else worry a bit about how it might turn out in terms of accusations of copying?
     
  2. The Political Gamer

    aa The Political Gamer

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    Since I blow with detailing I am using a more cinematic approach to the map. In other words its going to be a bit more lively then most maps.
     
  3. Fraz

    aa Fraz Blu Hatte, Greyscale Backdrop.

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    No. Simply for the fact that a lot of TF2 Maps look similar, and you do have quite a large canvas to work with. You're allowed to change more than people originally thought.

    http://forums.tf2maps.net/showpost.php?p=180168&postcount=194

    People were crying for RaVaGe to be DQ'd, but zpq also said all his changes were fine. I think people are being too cautious, and I'm sure if people change something too much, and admin will step in and tell you. As far as accusations go, meh, people have the same ideas all the time. If people moan and bitch about it then that's their choice. I highly doubt any accusations will be made, especially if the entrants have any sense.
     
  4. Mick-a-nator

    aa Mick-a-nator

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    A little worried. I haven't created a thread yet, 'cause I don't think I've done anything interesting enough yet, but I'm sure when I do make one, someone will say "hey, my map is exactly like that!". Of course it wont be exactly like it, so I'll just reply with "No. I came up with the idea completely unaware of your entry, and will continue to finish my entry regardless of you, or any other contestant's entry." If they persist, well they can go somewhere un-mentionable on national television.
     
  5. 1Fort 2Fort

    1Fort 2Fort L1: Registered

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    my ideas pretty original. it will be almost grey scaled out-doors. prop and texture wise, it will borrow from 2Fort and doublecross. only colors will be on signs logos and maybe props. this migh change if i dont like where its going but I have a back up water treatment / sewer thing. and after that is a power plant.
     
  6. TheTurnip

    TheTurnip L2: Junior Member

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    There's no way my ideas would stick out or be original, and my skills at detailing aren't there (i'd be learning as I go), so i'm not entering the contest.

    I guess I have to wait another 6 months (or whatever) for a contest I can enter.


    That, or i'll make a cp_orange version as a joke
     
  7. sniprpenguin

    sniprpenguin L6: Sharp Member

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    Quite honestly, I'm looking at other people's WIP threads just to see if there's any big competition. There are a few that strike me as a good start, but I doubt they'll get any further, quite honestly.

    One thing that is striking me about them, though, is that everyone's going for something unorthodox. I honestly thought about going just regular desert just to spite everyone who's doing "night-time snowy alpine" or "techno rave" or "CHEESEBURGER IN PARADISE" or what have you. Frankly, your attempt to be original is unoriginal. No offense.

    Also, I'm being hypocritical. :p
     
  8. Terr

    aa Terr Cranky Coder

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    Damnit, that was my idea!!!11

    But seriously, I want to do a desert-theme, party because the real-world place I want to set it in has to be desert-ish.

    Last night I went to bed early because I wasn't feeling well... Let's just say having artpass ideas coincide with "that fever-dream and then you wake up at 3am and can't quite really sleep" is a really weird mental place to be in. For a while I think I was considering my mattress as a displacement surface.
     
  9. EArkham

    aa EArkham Necromancer

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    Sheesh, I hear you. I had dreams about modeling and UV mapping vines all night, lol. Not pleasant dreams, let me tell you.

    Kep
     
  10. Grim Tuesday

    aa Grim Tuesday

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    I doubt anyone will have a PL_Zig theme...
     
  11. Melt

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    What about taking it to the next logical TF2 step: Moon Base
     
  12. what would jesus do?

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    the nighttime theme is a bit overdone. and by a bit i mean verily!

    you can throw in snow or grass all you want, but a nighttime lighting setup is still the most recognizable thing. i dont think its copied though, but suddenly it turned unoriginal .
     
  13. J4CK8

    J4CK8 L11: Posh Member

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    Most of the night time entries are far too dark. Some people have adequatly lit the insides but outside is still too dark. I have yet to decide on my skybox but unless night looks and fits the scene perfectly I will avoid it. I'm thinking one of the swamp skyboxes seeing as my map is swamp themed.
     
  14. DJive

    aa DJive Cake or Death?

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    There has been a few moon maps.
     
  15. Grim Tuesday

    aa Grim Tuesday

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    CP_Europa, and skylab come to mind. Im doing that theme, btw.
     
  16. Icarus

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    That's why several of us have decided to keep it to ourselves.... or at the very least post exclusively in the VIP forum.
     
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  17. Retroid

    Retroid L5: Dapper Member

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    Good point... :facepalm:
     
  18. Waif

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    Mmm but if you make your theme/ style known public, people are less likely to choose it due to the chance of being accused of ' copying you' .
     
  19. DJive

    aa DJive Cake or Death?

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    I've seen 123124 versions of orange_x..

    I dont think people care to be accused of anything
     
  20. what would jesus do?

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    you cant compare the kind of mapper on tf2maps and the "other kind". they make orange and surf maps and doesnt care about gameplay issues and art problems and immersion being broken.

    even though Icarus post bears some truth, I kind of get that vibe of Elitism with the "us" and "exklusevly in the vip forum". (not trying to be hostile, I really understand not sharing but still ... )