[Note] "Battlement"

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  1. Icarus

    aa Icarus

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    Battlement != battle ground, battle zone, fighting goes there
     
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  2. Mexican Apple Thief

    Mexican Apple Thief L3: Junior Member<br>LEAD FARMER

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    The common TF2 player assumes it means battle ground at this point. Maybe if we got a new sign for battleground?
     
  3. Jack Riguel

    Jack Riguel L10: Glamorous Member

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    Doesn't valve use the "control point" signs to refer to battlegrounds? The only exception I can see is in maps like 2fort where the battle mostly takes place on the bridge, but they usually then identify that using the "intel" arrow signs.
     
  4. Dr. ROCKZO

    Dr. ROCKZO L8: Fancy Shmancy Member

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    I shall make a note of it.
     
  5. DaBeatzProject

    aa DaBeatzProject

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    Just use those billboard signs! No reading required, and they're big!
     
  6. Caliostro

    Caliostro L6: Sharp Member

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    Battlements usually imply "Sniping spots. If you're a sniper, right this way!".
     
  7. littleedge

    aa littleedge L1111: Clipping Guru

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    I consider Battlements to be multiple things, but as a general rule, I consider it to be the places that are part of your base, but it's outside of your base. Like the Sniper Balcony thing on 2Fort. Or the upstairs portion and balcony of the last point's building in Fastlane. Or the window'd areas of Steel looking upon E.

    I think many players just consider it a sniper area, or in a/d maps, a defensible position.
     
  8. Stormcaller3801

    Stormcaller3801 L5: Dapper Member

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    I consider 'Battlement' to be interchangeable with 'Sniper Deck' as far as TF2 is concerned. While other classes may find the battlements useful (such as for Scouts who want to try and get atop the bridge roof in 2Fort), I see them as being an area where only one class would want to remain for the entirety of the game: Snipers.
     
  9. Terr

    aa Terr Cranky Coder

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    Core qualities of battlements:
    • They work as a place to help defend from.
    • They are raised areas.
    • Typically part of a specific "base" building, having a very specific direction attackers come from or a wall to their back.
    • They are easier to access from the defending side than the attacking side, because attackers face a wall at least one story high.

    Examples:
    • 2fort, of course.
    • Defenders' base near the second-point on Badlands
    • Area above spawn point buildings in Goldrush stages 1 and 3.
    • Sniper windows in Well
    • Sniper deck on Mach4

    Point C in gravelpit doesn't count, since it's surrounded on all sides. It's not "wall-like" enough. Final checkpoint in Badwater doesn't count, because attackers start high-up and aren't being made to ascend.
     
  10. Nineaxis

    aa Nineaxis Quack Doctor

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    I don't see why they would assume this.

    Battlements have always meant to me and always will mean a sniper ledge, or other raised ledge that is part of your base and faces out.
     
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  11. Garner

    Garner L4: Comfortable Member

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    When i think battlement, i think of an archer's ledge / some sort of raised structure thats someone shoots from. Also the gaps in the top parts of teh castle resemble them too.
     
  12. HojoTheGreat

    HojoTheGreat L5: Dapper Member

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    This has ALWAYS irritated me when looking at custom maps. People see the word "battle" and assume it means "To battle! Take up your arms!" Battlements should only ever refer to an upper portion of the map, usually with some sort of cover. Kinda like a death balcony :D
     
  13. strangemodule

    strangemodule L5: Dapper Member

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    I can't even find the "Battlement" decal half the time. :p
     
  14. grazr

    aa grazr Old Man Mutant Ninja Turtle

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  15. Dr. ROCKZO

    Dr. ROCKZO L8: Fancy Shmancy Member

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    I've been using prop_static, is that bad?

    Oh wait. I'm an Idiot, nevermind.. (I realized what you said and what I just said)
     
  16. UKCS-Alias

    aa UKCS-Alias Mann vs Machine... or... Mapper vs Meta?

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    Because it contains the part battle. They dont know what battlements mean but they do know what battle means. Thats why. Any gamer that isnt english and havent heard of the word before will think that a battlement is a battle area. So did i.
    I guess your native language is english. That makes you understand those words faster.
     
  17. strangemodule

    strangemodule L5: Dapper Member

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    There is also a decal version of it (I think it's for 2fort).