Mudslide

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  1. luxatile

    aa luxatile deer

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    MUDSLIDE by Muffin Man
    Mode: Push (Linear 5-CP)
    Size: Medium, 12-24 players recommended

    In a harsh, rocky desert, RED and BLU have built their secret bases on top of some rocky plateus for some reason. Who knows, maybe the architect was drunk, and you certainly only get what you pay for - The bases are now crumbling due to spontaneous mudslides, which has left many of the buildings in bad shape. This, coupled with the altitude, provides a dangerous battlefield around every corner. Watch your step.

    I want feedback on:
    • Health and ammo placement.
    • Sentry spots.
    • Respawn time.
    • Capture time.
    • Balance between any two points. Is the defending team overwhelmed by attackers? etc
    • Other factors in balance; overall balance.
    • How do the currently detailed areas look?

    Known issues:
    • Lacks "time has been added" comments from the Announcer, I think.
    • The forward spawns should probably be reworked so people can change weapons there and stuff.

    Special thanks to (alphabetical order):
    • A Boojum Snark
    • Acegikmo
    • CaptainAngry and calculatedChaos
    • FreeLance_FoX
    • MangyCarface
    • Nineaxis
    • Shmitz
    • Youme
    • The TF2Maps.net chat room and community
     
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  2. The Political Gamer

    aa The Political Gamer

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    EDIT: Wow that looks good!
     
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  3. luxatile

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    Aaand they are up.
     
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  4. Hanz

    aa Hanz Ravin' Rabbid

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    Pictures are looking great, but I can't give any feedback now. I hope I can play it wednesday! :D
     
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  5. Fearlezz

    Fearlezz L10: Glamorous Member

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    Be careful with the lighting. Right now screenshot 1 is so wrong, can you guess why? Because there is almost no shadows on the ground there. Take a look at screen 2 and 3 and try to do something similar with the area on screenshot 1
     
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  6. luxatile

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    Yeah, I thought the lighting looked funny, but now isn't the time to care about that. :p
     
  7. Sgt Frag

    Sgt Frag L14: Epic Member

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    I liked it, was pretty fun.

    Not a huge fan of alot of deathpits. Sure everymap needs one, but there were several along the whole side of this map. Doens't kill it but would be good to have some railings and maybe just a few broken spots where you could accidentally fall through.

    Then players can still get blasted over but it's not too easy to fall when backing away from another player.

    mid seemd like a stalemate for awhile. then we finally pushed back and capped.

    The thing I think I like the most is the size. Too many 5 pointmaps end up huge. tons of running, etc... This one felt fairly compact and kept the action high. thumbs up.

    I also don't like alot of doors, I wouldn't mind seeing half of them gone. They just seem to interfere too much with gameplay. They give away spies, limit snipers, soldiers, demos, cut off medics from patients and give you too many close quarter suprises with pyros.
     
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  8. luxatile

    aa luxatile deer

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    Seems like I went overboard with deathpits for sure. As I mentioned in game, they will not be cut down in terms of size and quantity, but I will add railings to some of them. Not all.

    I'm going to have to work on the middle to give the losing team more of an advantage/breathing room, I think. And I dislike overuse of doors too, so I will definitely work on improving them.
     
  9. Drexer

    Drexer L2: Junior Member

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    The biggest problem is the death pit right after the side exit of the spawn. Specially because some players spawn directly facing that exit. It goes basically like this:

    "Here I goooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.... Damnit I'm dead..."
     
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  10. luxatile

    aa luxatile deer

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    Yeah, that's a stupid door. There'll be rails there for sure. :p
     
  11. Void

    aa Void Local Man Unable To Map, Sources Say

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    Void is interested.
     
  12. Void

    aa Void Local Man Unable To Map, Sources Say

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    Void is interested.

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    Doubly interested, apparently.
     
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  13. FreeLance_FoX

    FreeLance_FoX L6: Sharp Member

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    I walked through and I've gotta say that it's one of the most creative 5CP maps I've seen in a long time. Granted, there aren't many, but this map has a very clear vision of the intended gameplay style, I can tell from walking through!

    Errr, yeah, but what I mean is it's really well thought out. Middle looks very intelligently designed and I like the approaches provided for attacking 4th. 4th to 5th could use some work (as could the areas with doors & death pits, as already mentioned). Overall I can't wait to actually play it some, but frankly any 5CP of such quality as this screams COMPETITIVE MAP to me. ^___^

    -FoXy
     
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  14. Tinker

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    I like the deathpits, I like how the map worked. The only suggestion I have is connecting the upper levels of the building next to C to the upper level of the building between B & C (with the doors). I think it'd open up the area a lot more, and give attackers a way to get through that building easily - it was very easy to lock down now.
     
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  15. luxatile

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    Hmm, I'm not sure which building by C you're talking about, but one of them is connected to the building between 2 and the middle (B and C). If I need to, I might connect the other one as well.

    Also...

    Mud Bath A2 released
    - Added a new path to the middle to help losing teams.
    - Added lots of protective railings near death pits.
    - Added many new signs and made the signs above changing spawnrooms dynamic.
    - Removed all neutral sliding doors, changing some room structures in the progress.
    - Opened up a building in the middle for more breathing room.
    - Removed an unnecessary doorway.
    - Added a medium healthkit to point 2 and upgraded the metal to full.
    - Downgraded the healthkit beteen point 2 and the middle from full to medium.
     
  16. Tinker

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    Yeah, I meant the other one. Sorry for being unclear.
     
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  17. luxatile

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    I'm sorry I couldn't come to gameday, but I was busy... eating... and stuff... >_>

    Since I couldn't experience it firs-hand, I'm going to need lots of help here, so list your feedback everyone.
     
  18. Hanz

    aa Hanz Ravin' Rabbid

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    Hm I can't say a lot about balancing since it's a symmetrical map, but for me, it was fun to play. There was 1 thing a bit weird (maybe you already know), but everyone spawns at the same spot (atleast in the first spawnroom). It's not bad but you gotta change that. :p
     
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  19. Ten19

    Ten19 L2: Junior Member

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    Was really impressed with how solid the gameplay was during Gameday. I didn't get lost at all, signage was great and it definitely had the same engaging 5-cap experience that the Valve maps do. I'll swoop around solo and see if anything jumps out at me but kudos for the work so far!
     
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  20. Ten19

    Ten19 L2: Junior Member

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    A few things I noticed while swooping around solo:

    - For the last cap point on either side, there isn't a real guard rail or even signage warning you that you can fall to your death. It even looks like you can go down there normally.

    - Same kind of goes for the second to last caps on either side. There's another sort of ledge there with geometry that suggests it might be accessible, only to find yourself dead.
     
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