Minecraft maps...

Discussion in 'Mapping Questions & Discussion' started by Turnip, Dec 4, 2015.

  1. Turnip

    aa Turnip The 80s Vegetable

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    How you how do
    Is it brushwork with mc textures or an actual mc model thats scaled i to a map?
    Not ever making one but im curios.
     
  2. Jusa

    aa Jusa

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    really simple brushwork with really simple textures.
     
  3. Tumbolisu

    aa Tumbolisu  I ⌄ I 

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    Having the entire map be a single model would be horrible for several reasons. For example, it's harder to make and the collision model would go far beyond the limit of convex pieces allowed. Optimization would also be impossible.
     
  4. Crash

    aa Crash func_nerd

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    I have heard that there is a converter out there that lets you make something in Minecraft and then import it to Hammer. But from what I've seen of others using it, it does every. single. block. individually. You could always manually clean this up, but it sounds like more trouble than it's worth.

    Alternatively, you could just manually make the whole thing, keeping a consistent grid size/ block size for the map.
     
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  5. Muddy

    Server Staff Muddy Muddy

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    Or just don't make a Minecraft map. :~)
     
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  6. Turnip

    aa Turnip The 80s Vegetable

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    Solution before it was a problem.
     
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  7. Pocket

    aa Pocket func_croc

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    Here's what I learned from recreating someone's Minecraft version of Mann Manor:

    48 units per block side is the golden rule. Just big enough to bump your head on a two-block doorway, just small enough to see over a block and a half, just like in Minecraft, and with 3 units per pixel you can build everything from fences to tracks without going off-grid.

    Block sides should all be aligned to Face; undersides should be aligned to World.

    Even if you had an automatic converter that tries to consolidate blocks into large brushes, it's not likely to break them up in the most ideal way, especially for splitting the brushwork between func_detail and world brushes. Best to do everything manually, but mocking up the whole thing in creative mode first is still a good idea. Should help keep you in the "building things in Minecraft" mindframe while you're designing, if nothing else.

    Trees have to be models because face culling would toss out all the internal leaf faces otherwise, even with every block func_detailed separately. Likewise torches should probably be models with no collision meshes. Fences work best as models for lighting purposes.

    HDR should of course be avoided, since it's not in Minecraft itself, but -staticproplighting is a must for those trees and fences.

    Clip your stairs as you would normally, but for stepping up onto single slabs, as well as the bottom step of a staircase, you may prefer to place a clip brush stretched across the front, 12 units high and one unit thick, to emulate players' ability to automatically step up onto things like sidewalks despite being over the height limit for that. Player models floating above the gap between steps is a lot more conspicuous when they're 24 units apart.

    One of these days I plan to compile all my textures and models into a resource pack and release it. It's not finished, at the moment; I need to hunt down a good pixel artist to make some custom item pickups, and get a complete set of particle effects.
     
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  8. Turnip

    aa Turnip The 80s Vegetable

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    Holy crap, I had no idea it took this much effort into making a minecraft TF2 map.
    I have a little more respect for the mappers who make those maps, but not as much as those who make TF2 maps for TF2.
     
  9. Pocket

    aa Pocket func_croc

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    It takes that much effort to make a good one. I wouldn't oversell the concept; most people who use Minecraft as a theme do so because they think it's an excuse to put a bare minimum effort into detailing and still have a map that doesn't look like an alpha. There's probably a reason why pl_minepit is the only one that ever went mainstream, not counting trade maps or whatever; and even that map is incorrectly scaled and way out of date because it's based on an early alpha of the game.