CP Marsh A3

The map mostly likely to give you Malaria, or your money back!

  1. Moonrat

    aa Moonrat The end of an era

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    Toxicity - Hanz made a good map. I fucked it up...

    Hanz makes good maps, Like Mojave

    I made Qase....

    Toxicity was orginally a PLR map, then a PL map, then an A/D map, then a 3CP map.

    Now it's a 5CP map
     
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  2. Davekillerish

    aa Davekillerish Lvl O: Orange Member

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  3. Moonrat

    aa Moonrat The end of an era

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    Alright, making this better I hope

    Changes

    Optimization

    - Reactivated Areaportals, FPS should be much better now
    - Reduced fog, and added Far Z Clip Plane to further increase framerates

    Detail

    - Changed lighting, sunlight is darker, and shadows are brighter
    - Changed ground texture to be even squelchy-er
    - Changed Dev textures to the flat color textures

    Gameplay

    - TONS of adjustments to Health and Ammo Kits, less of them now, but the ones left are better
    - Doors around the map have been shrunk
    - Various brushes added to once open windows to nerf Snipers a bit
    - Raised rocks at the Middle Point
    - Removed path between 2 connectors from Mid to Second
    - Minor cover added to the Second Point
    - Door added to Lobby at Last to stop a nasty sightline
    - Jump added to Last for Spies to be able to get to the Upper Lobby unseen
    - Small room and Ammo Kit removed from Last
    - One way
    door at last changed to be smaller and unable to be seen through

    Other

    - Trains added

    Hopefully this update makes the map much better! Or not.....


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  4. Idolon

    aa Idolon the worst admin

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    All of this is sort of a half-assed, first impressions analysis. Take it at face value, I guess.

    http://i.imgur.com/YPKstcf.png
    http://i.imgur.com/Fnvflzj.png
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    Just about every exit from last is a fairly cramped pathway, and is also somewhat far away from the point. Combine this with the low ceiling and it feels unsafe to approach any of these exits. They don't accommodate multiple people pushing through or teammates coming to provide backup.

    http://i.imgur.com/3R4ngBa.jpg
    http://i.imgur.com/FJs5EXY.png
    http://i.imgur.com/sPtzd6D.jpg
    For most of the entrances into lobby also end up being chokes, as an attackers options are usually only to push forward or to hold back. If you look at good 5cp maps, they usually allow for a lot of lateral movement in lobby. It gives players more options in how to approach a fight.

    http://i.imgur.com/sPrRXOM.png
    I feel like the layout of lobby is more complex than it needs to be. For example, you could merge these two doors into one without impacting the layout too greatly.

    http://i.imgur.com/35AjEiR.jpg
    This area seems like it's supposed to be the main route to attack last (because of the pickups), and it could be. Problem is, getting to this area leads you through doorways that are only about one or two player widths across. The visual language of this area makes it feel like it's supposed to be a flank.

    http://i.imgur.com/IFZBf1i.png
    This particular room sucks as a defender, because I have no idea what's on the other side. Poking my head in is risky, and someone powerful could jump through at any moment.

    http://i.imgur.com/6riKhzC.jpg
    This overhang is just kinda weird. All it really does is prevent people from jumping between the spawn exit and the upper area (and demo spam, I suppose). On a related note, I'd raise the ceiling a bit - it's possible to explosive jump around the area, but it doesn't feel like you're supposed to.

    http://i.imgur.com/1k4IZZS.png
    There's no sneaky way to approach this door on defense's side. It's probably the best way to get shots out at people on the point, but there's such a length behind the window that offense will see you coming and have time to prepare.

    http://i.imgur.com/HB0mrKj.jpg
    I would personally raise this door 64-128 units. It's at a fairly significant height disadvantage to 2nd. Alternatively, I would provide another route that gives defense a better vantage point on 2nd, because as it stands, offense has nothing to be wary of.

    http://i.imgur.com/2T9lWL1.png
    You really seem to like doorways! This one in the middle really isn't needed at all. There's a few other instances where I don't think doorways aren't necessary, but I'll let you determine that for yourself.

    All of this aside, I'm enjoying the map. It's going to need more drastic layout changes than you've done between a1 and a2, although I understand that you did those changes between two tests, so it's understandably not changed very much. Good luck!
     
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  5. Moonrat

    aa Moonrat The end of an era

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    A bunch of improvements, mostly focusing on the Lobby and Last

    Changes

    Detail

    - Reverted Grass and Dev texture changes from A2
    - Added Metal texture to Last

    Gameplay

    Middle
    - Added wood walls to the point, giving cappers more cover, at the expense of not being able to see attackers from the Hut
    - Minor changes to Kits
    - Removed doorway between Mid and Second connector

    Second
    - Added rock, giving cappers more cover, but blocking LOS to the main entrance to the Lobby

    Last
    - Combined two doorways at last into one big one
    - Removed window entrance to the Upper Lobby
    - Turned two windows viewing Second into one way windows, benefiting pushes to Second
    - Turned Balcony windows viewing Last into one way windows, benefiting pushes onto Last
    - Removed two Small Health/Ammo kits for attackers near Last
    - Added Medium Ammo Kit in front of Last point, helping Engineers defend

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