Mapping with Water

Discussion in 'Mapping Questions & Discussion' started by Arachanox, Jun 10, 2009.

  1. Arachanox

    Arachanox L1: Registered

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    I'm relatively new to mapping and I have started creating a map involving a contained environment which is entirely enclosed in a block of water - all players either travel through the underwater base (which is not filled with water) or in and out of the facility through the water itself.

    I have two questions:

    #1: Is it a bad thing to create a map which is about 50% water?
    #2: If it is fine, is there anything special I should know about mapping with water?

    Thanks.
     
  2. Sgt Frag

    Sgt Frag L14: Epic Member

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    If its fun people will probably play it.

    But water is a major disadvantage for pyros. And demos stickies/grenades travel slow underwater.

    And under water means that if you have tunnels over the top of your water and the demo is in airspace under it the stickies/grenades will still travel slow.

    It would be best to fake the water on top of the tunnels (I suppose they'd be glass) by just making it really dark and have some blu lighting or something.
    But that might make it hard to be outside in water that wouldn't look the same.
     
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  3. Arachanox

    Arachanox L1: Registered

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    Thanks for your help, but I've come to realize the infeasibility of what I at first imagined - water doesn't seem to work in exactly the way I wished it would. I'm moving on to another idea, but it still implements water, so I'll learn about it nonetheless.

    Thanks!
     
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  4. fubarFX

    aa fubarFX The "raw" in "nodraw"

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    well actualy it would be possible to do this. sure is some challenging work, but nothing impossible.

    I wouldn't go for a fifty-fifty wet/dry environment. maybe 25% of it could be underwater. you just have to make sure there is an alternative route for people who wants to avoid water.
    if it's going to be in the middle of the ocean or something, creating underwater boundaries might be a serious challenge tho. you know, we don't make invisible walls anymore.

    some ideas poping in my mind: some huge fishing net? or maybe walls of underwater mines... be creative, you can work it out.

    If you decide to make this someday, maybe when you're more comfortable with using water, I strongly recommend you take a look at cp_aqua
     
  5. Altaco

    Altaco L7: Fancy Member

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    1. Terrible for pyros
    2. Source can't render the sides of water brushes, only the top, so you aren't going to be able to have any windows out into the water in the base.
     
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  6. Arachanox

    Arachanox L1: Registered

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    That was the issue I was talking about in my last post, which is why I gave up on this. Not having underwater tunnels made of glass like I intended would ruin the effect.

    Thanks for you help though.
     
  7. Micnax

    aa Micnax I maek map

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    Water in Source is dreadful. At least we have people working on dynamic water, which will be awesome.

    But if you make a map with 50% water, make sure there are areas for other classes too, like Pyros.
     
  8. Yourself

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    I had an idea for an "underwater facility" map and my thought was to put the water only in the 3D skybox and any windows in the facility would look directly out into the skybox. My idea, however, didn't involve players leaving the building and being able to swim around (largely because of the reasons you mentioned).

    I never tried implementing this, so maybe it wouldn't work.