Mangy's Frontier Essay

Discussion in 'Mapping Questions & Discussion' started by MangyCarface, Jun 16, 2011.

  1. MangyCarface

    aa MangyCarface Mapper

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    A bunch of people chipped in resources as I was writing this and I think you guys may find it interesting/useful so I figured I'd edit it to be sharable with the community. Here's the link: Mangy's Thesis

    Disclaimers:
    This thesis is the property of the Penn State Schreyer Honors College library.
    The map pl_frontier is the property of Valve.
     
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  2. Fr0Z3nR

    aa Fr0Z3nR Creator of blackholes & memes. Destroyer of forums

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    You go to penn state ... /highfive

    I will read through this when I get a chance.
     
  3. Randdalf

    aa Randdalf

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    Holy crap nice! Unfortunately it just comes up with a black screen for me if I try to "stream it" in-browser.
     
  4. cyked

    cyked L3: Member

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    Short version?

    Edit:
    also what?

    YOU GOT HEATMAPS?
     
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  5. Karnage

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    This is great! I'm making a payload map this summer, this will surely help me :)

    thanks for sharing!
     
  6. Prestige

    aa Prestige im not gay anymore

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    damn. analyzing to the max. looking at the difficulty curves was fun and finally seeing it get all well and balanced. do you do this with all your maps?
     
  7. MangyCarface

    aa MangyCarface Mapper

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    I've graduated btw, that's what the thesis was for :p
    I'm not as in to it as before, one thing you NEED is an excellent server operator and so my one friend was enormous help in gathering this data.

    I didn't consciously know that I was creating 'difficulty curves' when I was making the map, I was just analyzing the data in the same way to guide the map towards my own concept of 'fun'. Then when I went into the literature I was able to put a name on it.

    As the takeaways state, the big thing is determining your metrics, controlling for them, and then making changes informed on your results. Nothing spectacular but I think taking it to this level of empiricism can really help mappers, especially beginners.
     
  8. Fr0Z3nR

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    Bummer... I'm transfering to UP for my last 2 years to finish my Astro degree. I'm reading through this now, very impressive analysis.
     
  9. MangyCarface

    aa MangyCarface Mapper

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    D: Awesome! I'll have to beer you up when I visit as an alum (working out of philly starting next year)
     
  10. Fr0Z3nR

    aa Fr0Z3nR Creator of blackholes & memes. Destroyer of forums

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    ... and I live in philly. GODDAMIT MANGY!
     
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  11. purequaternion

    purequaternion L3: Member

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    This is extremely well written.

    Have you thought about graduate school?

    -Colin (the math professor)
     
  12. MangyCarface

    aa MangyCarface Mapper

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    LOL well we'll chill somehow

    Thanks! But no, I'm going right into the work force... I can write alright but academia really ain't for me, no offense meant.
     
  13. A Boojum Snark

    aa A Boojum Snark Toraipoddodezain Mazahabado

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    Goldrush has seven points. You disappoint me. :(
     
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  14. Vincent

    aa Vincent 🔨 Grandmaster Lizard Wizard Jedi 🔨

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    Really nice, I'll be sure to look this over the next time I ever take a crack at Payload.
     
  15. purequaternion

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    Thanks! But no, I'm going right into the work force... I can write alright but academia really ain't for me, no offense meant.[/QUOTE]

    None taken...I think most of us are crazy, to be honest.
     
  16. Tom Hoen

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    Now this inspires and motivates me to think my thesis theme. Luckily I don't have to write it yet but I'll graduate in 2 years. I think I'm going to write something about level designing.

    Now onwards to read this thesis.
     
  17. grazr

    aa grazr Old Man Mutant Ninja Turtle

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    Why are your acknowledgements censored? Also, Chapter 7 made me hungry.

    EDIT: On page 13 you say Goldrush has 6 capture points, but it actually has 7. D:
     
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  18. DaBeatzProject

    aa DaBeatzProject

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    Really interesting article, never really thought about approaching level designing like that. Inspiring stuff!
     
  19. luxatile

    aa luxatile deer

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    Did something happen to the PDF? I can't see anything, just a black square. :(

    Edit: Nope, apparently this PDF reader plugin for Firefox just sucks.
     
  20. Trotim

    aa Trotim

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    You got the heatmaps and other stats from 2f2f right, or where?