KOTH, sort of, with a flag

Discussion in 'Mapping Questions & Discussion' started by The Asylum, Nov 30, 2009.

  1. The Asylum

    aa The Asylum

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    Okay so here's the idea.

    Map starts with a neutral intel in the middle of the map, like KOTH. Both teams fight each other and one player eventually picks up the intel. Like KOTH, a countdown for that team begins, pausing when that player drops the intel. If the other team picks up the intel, that team's countdown starts/resumes. The intel can only be carried in the middle of the map, so nobody takes the intel and runs back to the spawn. The overall objective is like KOTH, only with a flag.

    My question is, having never made a KOTH map before, how do the timers work? Does there have to be a CP on the map to display the two timers, or can you just force the game to adopt them in the HUD via logic_auto?
     
  2. Sgt.Sausage

    Sgt.Sausage L7: Fancy Member

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    I like that idea, but it would be cool if it could be run around the whole map but just block of the spawns. Maybe make it so ever 30 sec it reset to the mid so that a player couldn't hide by the engies near spawn the whole game.

    I dont no though, the flag in the middle only could work, but it would seem spammy/repetitive, unless the mid area was big.
     
  3. Ravidge

    aa Ravidge Grand Vizier

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    koth_aurora

    Has no one heard of this map? it's great and works exactly like you described... it's almost as if you were looking at it while typing.
     
  4. Sgt.Sausage

    Sgt.Sausage L7: Fancy Member

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    Oh haha, i have never heard of it. I am guessing its by mangy and a koth version of ctf_aurora.

    I will have to look that up.
     
  5. gamemaster1996

    gamemaster1996 L13: Stunning Member

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    It's been done before.
     
  6. Sgt.Sausage

    Sgt.Sausage L7: Fancy Member

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    Figured something similar, but didnt no if anything was exactly like it.
     
  7. megawac

    megawac L4: Comfortable Member

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    A few maps like this... Most of them never released in final. And most before koth became official.
     
  8. Malcolm

    Malcolm L3: Member

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    I cannot answer those questions in detail, as my own attempt to do KotH is way different (it's more like King of the Payload). Anyway, I can tell you that you can easily start and stop the koth-timers by the I/O-System, even without capturing a point.

    Flags normally send a specific output when picked up. Neutral flags distinguish between the two teams and there you can send the Outputs for the countdown.

    I don't know about the CP. Maybe you have to insert a dummy, inactive CP and force the CTF-HUD, just for the koth logic to work. That has to be tested.
     
  9. XkillerturtleX

    XkillerturtleX L1: Registered

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    i seen this done on one map before it called ctf_aurora, ou can set the flag set up to work how ou what it ou dont real need a cp ou have to set the set on the koth hub and the ctf hub, i kind of got some thing like it but i have a cp and two flag m setup is that ou have to take our team flag to the cp to start timer our goal is to keep the other team from caping, but rember ou onl have 3 min to get flag up there that maps called Koth_flag_runner
    but any ways if you make it our way iwould make it more like time bomb ou hold on to flag until it blows up so your not have one player hide around have them runing around a when it blows up it take out the people around him.
     
  10. MangyCarface

    aa MangyCarface Mapper

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  11. Sgt.Sausage

    Sgt.Sausage L7: Fancy Member

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    Sounds cool, definitely gonna try it.
     
  12. Pseudo

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    You don't need a CP, you just need to include the entity tf_logic_koth. It will create two team_round_timers with the names zz_red_koth_timer and zz_blue_koth_timer. You can send these Pause and Resume inputs based on the item_teamflag's outputs. Targeting the koth timers will show up as errors in Hammer but will work ingame.